From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S264610AbUESWDN (ORCPT ); Wed, 19 May 2004 18:03:13 -0400 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id S264614AbUESWDN (ORCPT ); Wed, 19 May 2004 18:03:13 -0400 Received: from parcelfarce.linux.theplanet.co.uk ([195.92.249.252]:15061 "EHLO www.linux.org.uk") by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S264610AbUESWDI (ORCPT ); Wed, 19 May 2004 18:03:08 -0400 Message-ID: <40ABD98F.9080505@pobox.com> Date: Wed, 19 May 2004 18:02:55 -0400 From: Jeff Garzik User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030703 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Russell King CC: Tim Bird , Christoph Hellwig , Mark Gross , linux kernel Subject: Re: ANNOUNCE: CE Linux Forum - Specification V1.0 draft References: <40A90D00.7000005@am.sony.com> <20040517201910.A1932@infradead.org> <200405171342.49891.mgross@linux.intel.com> <20040518074854.A7348@infradead.org> <40ABB5E2.3040908@am.sony.com> <20040519225729.A28893@flint.arm.linux.org.uk> In-Reply-To: <20040519225729.A28893@flint.arm.linux.org.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Russell King wrote: > On Wed, May 19, 2004 at 12:30:42PM -0700, Tim Bird wrote: > >>The non-normative section of this spec. explains where this was >>a problem in 2.4, and why it is desirable, from the standpoint of >>bootup time reduction, to avoid these busywaits. > > > In this case, it's really a bug that IDE is using a busy wait where it > should be using a sleeping wait. It's a bug, plain and simple. To > wrap the bug into "a spec" somehow seems wrong to me, especially when > it would be far better to report the problem as a bug. > > Sure, specs make suit-wearing people happy, but that doesn't mean that > they're appropriate as a bug reporting method. 8) Use libata, which does polling and sleeping ;-) Jeff