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From: Nadia Derbey <Nadia.Derbey@bull.net>
To: Andrew Morton <akpm@osdl.org>
Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [RFC][PATCH 6/6] automatic tuning applied to some kernel components
Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2007 15:40:16 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <45B61E50.6020607@bull.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20070122115638.835b26a1.akpm@osdl.org>
Andrew Morton wrote:
>>On Tue, 16 Jan 2007 07:15:22 +0100 Nadia.Derbey@bull.net wrote:
>>The following kernel components register a tunable structure and call the
>>auto-tuning routine:
>> . file system
>> . shared memory (per namespace)
>> . semaphore (per namespace)
>> . message queues (per namespace)
>
>
> This is the part of the patch series which really matters, and I just don't
> understand it :(
>
> Why do we want to autotune these things? What problem is this patch series
> solving? Please describe this part of the work much, much more completely,
> so we can understand the need to add such a large amount of code to the
> kernel.
1) why these tunables?
The ipc tunables have been selected as "guinea-pig" tunables for the AKT
framework because they are likely to be often used in data bases. This
applies to file-max too.
Now, if the framework itself is accepted, the set of impacted tunables
can easily be enhanced.
2) why autotuning:
There are at least 3 cases where it can be useful
. for workloads that are known to need a big amount of a given resource
type (say shared memories), but we don't know what the maximum amount
needed will be
. to solve the case of multiple applications running on a single system,
and that need the same tunable to be adjusted to feet their needs
. to make a system correctly react to eventual peak loads for a given
resource usage, i.e. make it tune up *and down* as needed.
In all these cases, the akt framework will enable the kernel to adapt to
increasing / decreasing resource consumption:
1) avoid allocating "a priori" a big amount of memory that will be used
only in extreme cases. This is the effect of doing an "echo <huge_value>
> /proc/sys/kernel/shmmni"
2) the system will come back to the default values as soon as the peak
load is over.
>
> It seems strange that the whole feature is Kconfigurable. Please also
> explain the thinking behind that.
We wanted to make it configurable because it adds some overhead in terms of
1) generated kernel size
2) instructions added to the resource creation / removal code paths even
if auto-tuning is not activated for th corresponding tunable ->
performance impact.
>
> I suspect the patches would be much simpler if you simply required that all
> these new tunables be of type `long'. About seven eighths of the code
> would go away. As would most of those eye-popping macros.
>
Yes, agree with you: the idea here was to make the framework more
generic. But I can change that.
Regards,
Nadia
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2007-01-23 14:37 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 25+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2007-01-16 6:15 [RFC][PATCH 0/6] Automatice kernel tunables (AKT) Nadia.Derbey
2007-01-16 6:15 ` [RFC][PATCH 1/6] Tunable structure and registration routines Nadia.Derbey
2007-01-25 0:32 ` Randy Dunlap
2007-01-25 16:26 ` Nadia Derbey
2007-01-25 16:34 ` Randy Dunlap
2007-01-25 17:01 ` Nadia Derbey
2007-01-16 6:15 ` [RFC][PATCH 2/6] auto_tuning activation Nadia.Derbey
2007-01-16 6:15 ` [RFC][PATCH 3/6] tunables associated kobjects Nadia.Derbey
2007-01-16 6:15 ` [RFC][PATCH 4/6] min and max kobjects Nadia.Derbey
2007-01-24 22:41 ` Randy Dunlap
2007-01-25 16:34 ` Nadia Derbey
2007-01-16 6:15 ` [RFC][PATCH 5/6] per namespace tunables Nadia.Derbey
2007-01-24 22:41 ` Randy Dunlap
2007-01-16 6:15 ` [RFC][PATCH 6/6] automatic tuning applied to some kernel components Nadia.Derbey
2007-01-22 19:56 ` Andrew Morton
2007-01-23 14:40 ` Nadia Derbey [this message]
2007-02-07 21:18 ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-02-09 12:27 ` Nadia Derbey
2007-02-09 18:35 ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-02-13 9:06 ` Nadia Derbey
2007-02-13 10:10 ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-02-15 7:07 ` Nadia Derbey
2007-02-15 7:49 ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-02-15 8:25 ` Nadia Derbey
2007-02-14 13:56 Al Boldi
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