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From: Zachary Amsden <zach@vmware.com>
To: Christoph Lameter <clameter@sgi.com>
Cc: Jeremy Fitzhardinge <jeremy@goop.org>, Andi Kleen <ak@muc.de>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, virtualization@lists.osdl.org,
	xen-devel@lists.xensource.com, Chris Wright <chrisw@sous-sol.org>,
	Rusty Russell <rusty@rustcorp.com.au>
Subject: Re: [patch 00/21] Xen-paravirt: Xen guest implementation for paravirt_ops interface
Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2007 14:10:48 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <45D62BE8.6000702@vmware.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0702161356380.29218@schroedinger.engr.sgi.com>

Christoph Lameter wrote:
> On Fri, 16 Feb 2007, Zachary Amsden wrote:
>
>   
>> Yes, but that is just because the Xen hooks happens to be near the last part
>> of the merge.  VMI required some special hooks, as do both Xen and lhype (I
>> think ... Rusty can correct me if lhype's puppy's have precluded the addition
>> of new hooks).  Xen page table handling is very different, mostly it is trap
>> and emulate so writable page tables can work, which means they don't always
>> issue hypercalls for PTE updates, although they do have that option, should
>> the hypervisor MMU model change, or performance concerns prompt a different
>> model (or perhaps, migration?)
>>     
>
> Well looks like there are still some major design issues to be ironed out. 
> What is proposed here is to make paravirt_ops a fake generic 
> API and then tunnel through it to vendor specific kernel mods.
>   

No, there are two radically different approaches represented in one 
API.  Shadow page tables and direct page tables require different 
abstractions to make them work.  The API is not fake.  It accommodates 
both approaches, and the Xen changes here are pretty much required to 
make direct page tables work.  The shadow side of the equation is not 
vendor specific, in fact, it is used by lhype to make PTE update 
hypercalls.  But only one vendor chose direct page tables, so it appears 
vendor specific, when in fact it is just specific to that design choice.

Adding XenBus hooks to paravirt-ops, for instance, would be vendor 
specific and useless to anyone else.  But that is not the approach which 
has been taken here.

Zach

  reply	other threads:[~2007-02-16 22:10 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 97+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2007-02-16  2:24 Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-02-16  2:24 ` [patch 01/21] Xen-paravirt: Fix typo in sync_constant_test_bit()s name Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-02-16  2:24 ` [patch 02/21] Xen-paravirt: ignore vgacon if hardware not present Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-02-16  2:24 ` [patch 03/21] Xen-paravirt: Add pagetable accessors to pack and unpack pagetable entries Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-02-16  2:24 ` [patch 04/21] Xen-paravirt: =================================================================== Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-02-16  9:12   ` Andi Kleen
2007-02-16 17:32     ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-02-16  2:24 ` [patch 05/21] Xen-paravirt: paravirt_ops: hooks to set up initial pagetable Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-02-16  2:24 ` [patch 06/21] Xen-paravirt: paravirt_ops: allocate a fixmap slot Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-02-16  2:24 ` [patch 07/21] Xen-paravirt: remove ctor for pgd cache Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-02-16  6:04   ` Zachary Amsden
2007-02-16  8:39   ` Pekka Enberg
2007-02-16  9:19     ` Nick Piggin
2007-02-16 17:19       ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-02-16 20:33   ` Christoph Lameter
2007-02-16 23:33     ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-02-16  2:24 ` [patch 08/21] Xen-paravirt: Allow paravirt backend to choose kernel PMD sharing Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-02-16  2:24 ` [patch 09/21] Xen-paravirt: Allow paravirt backend to select PGD allocation alignment Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-02-16  2:24 ` [patch 10/21] Xen-paravirt: add hooks to intercept mm creation and destruction Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-02-16  6:34   ` Andrew Morton
2007-02-16  6:55     ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-02-22 20:16   ` Pavel Machek
2007-02-22 20:21     ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-02-22 20:23     ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-02-16  2:25 ` [patch 11/21] Xen-paravirt: Add apply_to_page_range() which applies a function to a pte range Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-02-16  6:37   ` Andrew Morton
2007-02-16  7:06     ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-02-16  7:19       ` Andrew Morton
2007-02-16  7:23         ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-02-16  7:31     ` Nick Piggin
2007-02-16  2:25 ` [patch 12/21] Xen-paravirt: Allocate and free vmalloc areas Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-02-16  6:43   ` Andrew Morton
2007-02-16  7:08     ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-02-16  7:24       ` Andrew Morton
2007-02-16  7:30         ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-02-16  7:49           ` Andrew Morton
2007-02-16  9:18           ` Andi Kleen
2007-02-16 11:10             ` [Xen-devel] " Keir Fraser
2007-02-16 11:34               ` Andi Kleen
2007-02-16 16:46             ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-02-16 17:10               ` [Xen-devel] " Keir Fraser
2007-02-16 17:12                 ` Keir Fraser
2007-02-16 17:27                   ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-02-16 19:06                     ` Keir Fraser
2007-02-16 19:19                       ` Keir Fraser
2007-02-16 19:26                         ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-02-16 23:29                           ` Keir Fraser
2007-02-16 23:41                             ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-02-16 17:26                 ` Hollis Blanchard
2007-02-16  7:48         ` Nick Piggin
2007-02-16  2:25 ` [patch 13/21] Xen-paravirt: Add nosegneg capability to the vsyscall page notes Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-02-16  6:06   ` Zachary Amsden
2007-02-16  2:25 ` [patch 14/21] Xen-paravirt: Add XEN config options and disable unsupported config options Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-02-16  6:14   ` Dan Hecht
2007-02-16  7:04     ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-02-16  7:52       ` Dan Hecht
2007-02-16  8:05         ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-02-16  8:37           ` Dan Hecht
2007-02-16 10:49             ` Keir Fraser
2007-02-16  7:06     ` Andrew Morton
2007-02-16  7:25       ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-02-16 10:09         ` Keir Fraser
2007-02-16 10:19           ` [Xen-devel] " Zachary Amsden
2007-02-16 10:44             ` Keir Fraser
2007-02-16 10:55               ` Zachary Amsden
2007-02-17  4:04             ` Rusty Russell
2007-02-16  6:15   ` Zachary Amsden
2007-02-16  7:33     ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-02-16  8:14       ` Ian Campbell
2007-02-16  8:24         ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-02-16  8:31           ` Zachary Amsden
2007-02-16 13:53       ` [Xen-devel] " Gerd Hoffmann
2007-02-18 11:32     ` Avi Kivity
2007-02-16  2:25 ` [patch 16/21] Xen-paravirt: Core Xen implementation Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-02-16  2:25 ` [patch 17/21] Xen-paravirt: Add the Xen virtual console driver Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-02-16  6:48   ` Andrew Morton
2007-02-16  2:25 ` [patch 18/21] Xen-paravirt: Add Xen grant table support Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-02-16  6:52   ` Andrew Morton
2007-02-16  6:58     ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-02-16  2:25 ` [patch 19/21] Xen-paravirt: Add the Xenbus sysfs and virtual device hotplug driver Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-02-16  2:25 ` [patch 20/21] Xen-paravirt: Add Xen virtual block device driver Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-02-16  2:25 ` [patch 21/21] Xen-paravirt: Add the Xen virtual network " Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-02-16  6:59 ` [patch 00/21] Xen-paravirt: Xen guest implementation for paravirt_ops interface Andrew Morton
2007-02-16  7:20   ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-02-16 20:49 ` Christoph Lameter
2007-02-16 21:04   ` Zachary Amsden
2007-02-16 21:13     ` Christoph Lameter
2007-02-16 21:48       ` Zachary Amsden
2007-02-16 21:59         ` Christoph Lameter
2007-02-16 22:10           ` Zachary Amsden [this message]
2007-02-17 13:51           ` Andi Kleen
2007-02-21 18:37             ` Christoph Lameter
2007-02-21 18:55               ` Zachary Amsden
2007-02-21 20:02               ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-02-17  5:05         ` Rusty Russell
2007-02-16 23:49   ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-02-17  4:58   ` Rusty Russell

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