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From: Simon Arlott <simon@fire.lp0.eu>
To: Eric Dumazet <dada1@cosmosbay.com>
Cc: akpm@linux-foundation.org, Bill Irwin <bill.irwin@oracle.com>,
Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
arjan@linux.intel.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH (update 3)] timer: Run calc_load halfway through each round_jiffies second
Date: Fri, 02 Mar 2007 17:32:51 +0000 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <45E85FC3.801@simon.arlott.org.uk> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <200703021735.55142.dada1@cosmosbay.com>
On 02/03/07 16:35, Eric Dumazet wrote:
> On Friday 02 March 2007 16:15, Simon Arlott wrote:
>> Whenever jiffies is started at a multiple of 5*HZ or wraps, calc_load is
>> run exactly on the second which is when tasks using round_jiffies will
>> be scheduled to run. This has a bad effect on the load average, making
>> it tend towards 1.00 if a task happens to run every time the load is
>> being calculated.
>>
>> This changes calc_load so that it updates load half a second after any
>> tasks scheduled using round_jiffies.
>
> I believe this patch is too complex/hazardous and may break exp decay
> computation.
Only for a single calculation whenever it has to adjust, which should only
happen every 49.7 days (on 32-bit archs). (Or 5 minutes after booting...
I always wondered why that happened and now I see it's initialised so it
always wraps early). Whilst it is in sync with jiffies it will not affect
the process - count is just set to the current value every time. Even with
NO_HZ because jiffies will be correct when calc_load is called.
> (Even if nobody care about avenrun[] those days :), do you ? )
>
> You could just change LOAD_FREQ from (5*HZ) to (5*HZ+1)
> You can see that 5.01 instead of 5.00 second gives the same EXP_xx values.
>
> So (5*HZ + 1) is safe. (because HZ >= 100)
On HZ=1000, this would cause the load average to be pushed towards +1.00
for up to 2 minutes every ~83 minutes with no obvious cause. (If a task
takes ~10-20ms to run, so 20 runs are needed at HZ=1000 before it passes
it again).
On HZ=100 it would happen every ~8 minutes for up to 10 seconds and never
be noticed.
Using 5*HZ+2 would move this to ~167 and ~17 minutes which would mitigate
the effect further still without changing the exp values.
1884.25 -> 1883.62
2014.15 -> 2014.02
2036.65 -> 2036.61
Will anyone notice if the load is adjusted slightly less frequently?
If this is considered preferable to adjusting calc_load to avoid almost all
round_jiffies scheduled tasks (some of which may take longer than ~15ms to
run), then I have no problems with it - I just needed something to stop my
driver changes doing odd things to the load average for other people. I'll
continue to run with this version, is it possible to add a Kconfig option
for it somewhere?
--
Simon Arlott
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2007-03-02 17:33 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 17+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2007-02-24 15:19 round_jiffies and load average Simon Arlott
2007-03-01 9:11 ` Simon Arlott
2007-03-01 18:52 ` [PATCH] timer: Add an initial 0.5s delay to calc_load Simon Arlott
2007-03-01 22:52 ` [PATCH (updated)] timer: Run calc_load halfway through each round_jiffies second Simon Arlott
2002-01-01 3:05 ` Pavel Machek
2007-03-05 22:35 ` Simon Arlott
2007-03-06 18:42 ` [PATCH (update 4)] " Simon Arlott
2007-03-06 22:20 ` [PATCH (updated)] " Chuck Ebbert
2007-03-01 23:10 ` Bill Irwin
2007-03-02 10:15 ` [PATCH (update 2)] " Simon Arlott
2007-03-02 15:15 ` [PATCH (update 3)] " Simon Arlott
2007-03-02 16:35 ` Eric Dumazet
2007-03-02 17:32 ` Simon Arlott [this message]
2007-03-02 18:03 ` Eric Dumazet
2007-03-02 20:14 ` Simon Arlott
2007-03-02 22:32 ` Eric Dumazet
2007-03-02 23:54 ` Simon Arlott
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