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From: Kirill Korotaev <dev@sw.ru>
To: Cedric Le Goater <clg@fr.ibm.com>
Cc: Pierre Peiffer <pierre.peiffer@bull.net>,
	containers@lists.linux-foundation.org,
	Alexey Dobriyan <adobriyan@gmail.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH 2.6.24-rc8-mm1 09/15] (RFC) IPC: new kernel API to change an ID
Date: Mon, 04 Feb 2008 16:41:26 +0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <47A71606.5030201@sw.ru> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <47A1F2DB.7080600@fr.ibm.com>



Cedric Le Goater wrote:
> Hello Kirill !
> 
> Kirill Korotaev wrote:
>> Pierre,
>>
>> my point is that after you've added interface "set IPCID", you'll need
>> more and more for checkpointing:
>> - "create/setup conntrack" (otherwise connections get dropped),
>> - "set task start time" (needed for Oracle checkpointing BTW),
>> - "set some statistics counters (e.g. networking or taskstats)"
>> - "restore inotify"
>> and so on and so forth.
> 
> right. we know that we will have to handle a lot of these
> and more and we will need an API for it :) so how should we handle it ?
> through a dedicated syscall that would be able to checkpoint and/or
> restart a process, an ipc object, an ipc namespace, a full container ?
> will it take a fd or a big binary blob ?  
> I personally really liked Pavel idea's of filesystem. but we dropped the
> thread.

Imho having a file system interface means having all its problems.
Imagine you have some information about tasks exported with a file system interface.
Obviously to collect the information you have to hold some spinlock like tasklist_lock or similar.
Obviously, you have to drop the lock between sys_read() syscalls.
So interface gets much more complicated - you have to rescan the objects and somehow find the place where
you stopped previous read. Or you have to to force reader to read everything at once.

> that's for the user API but we will need also kernel services to expose
> (checkpoint) states and restore them. If it's too
> early to talk about the user API, we could try first to refactor
> the kernel internals to expose correctly what we need.

That's what I would start with.

> That's what Pierre's patchset is trying to do.

Not exactly. For checkpointing/restoring we actually need only one new API call for each
subsystem - create some object with given ID (and maybe parameters, if they are not dynamically changeable by user).
While Pierre's patchset adds different API call - change object ID.

Thanks,
Kirill

  reply	other threads:[~2008-02-04 13:46 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 46+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2008-01-29 16:02 [PATCH 2.6.24-rc8-mm1 00/15] IPC: code rewrite + new functionalities pierre.peiffer
2008-01-29 16:02 ` [PATCH 2.6.24-rc8-mm1 01/15] IPC/semaphores: code factorisation pierre.peiffer
2008-01-29 16:02 ` [PATCH 2.6.24-rc8-mm1 02/15] IPC/shared memory: introduce shmctl_down pierre.peiffer
2008-01-29 16:02 ` [PATCH 2.6.24-rc8-mm1 03/15] IPC/message queues: introduce msgctl_down pierre.peiffer
2008-01-29 16:02 ` [PATCH 2.6.24-rc8-mm1 04/15] IPC/semaphores: move the rwmutex handling inside semctl_down pierre.peiffer
2008-01-29 16:02 ` [PATCH 2.6.24-rc8-mm1 05/15] IPC/semaphores: remove one unused parameter from semctl_down() pierre.peiffer
2008-01-31  8:32   ` Nadia Derbey
2008-01-31 10:18     ` Pierre Peiffer
2008-01-31 11:30       ` Nadia Derbey
2008-01-29 16:02 ` [PATCH 2.6.24-rc8-mm1 06/15] IPC: get rid of the use *_setbuf structure pierre.peiffer
2008-01-29 16:02 ` [PATCH 2.6.24-rc8-mm1 07/15] IPC: introduce ipc_update_perm() pierre.peiffer
2008-01-29 16:02 ` [PATCH 2.6.24-rc8-mm1 08/15] IPC: consolidate all xxxctl_down() functions pierre.peiffer
2008-01-29 16:02 ` [PATCH 2.6.24-rc8-mm1 09/15] (RFC) IPC: new kernel API to change an ID pierre.peiffer
2008-01-29 21:06   ` Alexey Dobriyan
2008-01-30  9:52     ` Pierre Peiffer
2008-01-31  9:00     ` Pierre Peiffer
2008-01-31  9:54       ` Kirill Korotaev
2008-01-31 11:57         ` Pierre Peiffer
2008-01-31 13:11           ` Kirill Korotaev
2008-01-31 16:10             ` Cedric Le Goater
2008-02-04 13:41               ` Kirill Korotaev [this message]
2008-02-04 14:06                 ` [Devel] " Pavel Emelyanov
2008-02-04 15:00                   ` Daniel Lezcano
2008-02-04 15:16                     ` Pavel Emelyanov
2008-02-05  9:51           ` Oren Laadan
2008-02-05 18:00             ` Dave Hansen
2008-02-05 18:42             ` Serge E. Hallyn
2008-02-06  2:07               ` Oren Laadan
2008-02-06  5:00                 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2008-02-08 10:12               ` Pierre Peiffer
2008-01-29 16:02 ` [PATCH 2.6.24-rc8-mm1 10/15] (RFC) IPC: new IPC_SETID command to modify " pierre.peiffer
2008-01-29 16:02 ` [PATCH 2.6.24-rc8-mm1 11/15] (RFC) IPC: new IPC_SETALL command to modify all settings pierre.peiffer
2008-01-29 16:02 ` [PATCH 2.6.24-rc8-mm1 12/15] (RFC) IPC/semaphores: make use of RCU to free the sem_undo_list pierre.peiffer
2008-01-30 21:26   ` Serge E. Hallyn
2008-01-31  9:52     ` Pierre Peiffer
2008-01-29 16:02 ` [PATCH 2.6.24-rc8-mm1 13/15] (RFC) IPC/semaphores: per <pid> semundo file in procfs pierre.peiffer
2008-01-29 16:02 ` [PATCH 2.6.24-rc8-mm1 14/15] (RFC) IPC/semaphores: prepare semundo code to work on another task than current pierre.peiffer
2008-01-30 21:44   ` Serge E. Hallyn
2008-01-31  9:48     ` Pierre Peiffer
2008-01-31 18:01       ` Serge E. Hallyn
2008-02-01 12:09         ` Pierre Peiffer
2008-01-29 16:02 ` [PATCH 2.6.24-rc8-mm1 15/15] (RFC) IPC/semaphores: add write() operation to semundo file in procfs pierre.peiffer
2008-02-02 18:23 ` [PATCH 2.6.24-rc8-mm1 00/15] IPC: code rewrite + new functionalities Pavel Machek
2008-02-04 13:52   ` Pierre Peiffer
2008-02-04 15:44   ` Benjamin Thery
2008-02-04 19:51     ` Pavel Machek

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