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From: Pavel Emelyanov <xemul@openvz.org>
To: Daniel Lezcano <dlezcano@fr.ibm.com>
Cc: Pavel Emelyanov <xemul@openvz.org>, Kirill Korotaev <dev@sw.ru>,
	containers@lists.linux-foundation.org,
	Cedric Le Goater <clg@fr.ibm.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	Alexey Dobriyan <adobriyan@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Devel] Re: [PATCH 2.6.24-rc8-mm1 09/15] (RFC) IPC: new kernel API to change an ID
Date: Mon, 04 Feb 2008 18:16:43 +0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <47A72C5B.4030307@openvz.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <47A72891.4000404@fr.ibm.com>

Daniel Lezcano wrote:
> Pavel Emelyanov wrote:
>> Kirill Korotaev wrote:
>>> Cedric Le Goater wrote:
>>>> Hello Kirill !
>>>>
>>>> Kirill Korotaev wrote:
>>>>> Pierre,
>>>>>
>>>>> my point is that after you've added interface "set IPCID", you'll need
>>>>> more and more for checkpointing:
>>>>> - "create/setup conntrack" (otherwise connections get dropped),
>>>>> - "set task start time" (needed for Oracle checkpointing BTW),
>>>>> - "set some statistics counters (e.g. networking or taskstats)"
>>>>> - "restore inotify"
>>>>> and so on and so forth.
>>>> right. we know that we will have to handle a lot of these
>>>> and more and we will need an API for it :) so how should we handle it ?
>>>> through a dedicated syscall that would be able to checkpoint and/or
>>>> restart a process, an ipc object, an ipc namespace, a full container ?
>>>> will it take a fd or a big binary blob ?  
>>>> I personally really liked Pavel idea's of filesystem. but we dropped the
>>>> thread.
>>> Imho having a file system interface means having all its problems.
>>> Imagine you have some information about tasks exported with a file system interface.
>>> Obviously to collect the information you have to hold some spinlock like tasklist_lock or similar.
>>> Obviously, you have to drop the lock between sys_read() syscalls.
>>> So interface gets much more complicated - you have to rescan the objects and somehow find the place where
>>> you stopped previous read. Or you have to to force reader to read everything at once.
>> To remember the place when we stopped previous read we have a "pos" counter
>> on the struct file.
>>
>> Actually, tar utility, that I propose to perform the most simple migration
>> reads the directory contents with 4Kb buffer - that's enough for ~500 tasks.
>>
>> Besides, is this a real problem for a frozen container?
> 
> I like the idea of a C/R filesystem. Does it implies a specific user 
> space program to orchestrate the checkpoint/restart of the different 
> subsystems ? I mean the checkpoint is easy but what about the restart ? 

I though about smth like "writing to this fs causes restore process".

> We must ensure, for example to restore a process before restoring the fd 
> associated to it, or restore a deleted file before restoring the fd 

This is achieved by tar automatically - it extracts files in the order
of archiving. Thus is we provide them in correct order we'll get them
in correct one as well.

> opened to it, no ?
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 


  reply	other threads:[~2008-02-04 15:17 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 46+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2008-01-29 16:02 [PATCH 2.6.24-rc8-mm1 00/15] IPC: code rewrite + new functionalities pierre.peiffer
2008-01-29 16:02 ` [PATCH 2.6.24-rc8-mm1 01/15] IPC/semaphores: code factorisation pierre.peiffer
2008-01-29 16:02 ` [PATCH 2.6.24-rc8-mm1 02/15] IPC/shared memory: introduce shmctl_down pierre.peiffer
2008-01-29 16:02 ` [PATCH 2.6.24-rc8-mm1 03/15] IPC/message queues: introduce msgctl_down pierre.peiffer
2008-01-29 16:02 ` [PATCH 2.6.24-rc8-mm1 04/15] IPC/semaphores: move the rwmutex handling inside semctl_down pierre.peiffer
2008-01-29 16:02 ` [PATCH 2.6.24-rc8-mm1 05/15] IPC/semaphores: remove one unused parameter from semctl_down() pierre.peiffer
2008-01-31  8:32   ` Nadia Derbey
2008-01-31 10:18     ` Pierre Peiffer
2008-01-31 11:30       ` Nadia Derbey
2008-01-29 16:02 ` [PATCH 2.6.24-rc8-mm1 06/15] IPC: get rid of the use *_setbuf structure pierre.peiffer
2008-01-29 16:02 ` [PATCH 2.6.24-rc8-mm1 07/15] IPC: introduce ipc_update_perm() pierre.peiffer
2008-01-29 16:02 ` [PATCH 2.6.24-rc8-mm1 08/15] IPC: consolidate all xxxctl_down() functions pierre.peiffer
2008-01-29 16:02 ` [PATCH 2.6.24-rc8-mm1 09/15] (RFC) IPC: new kernel API to change an ID pierre.peiffer
2008-01-29 21:06   ` Alexey Dobriyan
2008-01-30  9:52     ` Pierre Peiffer
2008-01-31  9:00     ` Pierre Peiffer
2008-01-31  9:54       ` Kirill Korotaev
2008-01-31 11:57         ` Pierre Peiffer
2008-01-31 13:11           ` Kirill Korotaev
2008-01-31 16:10             ` Cedric Le Goater
2008-02-04 13:41               ` Kirill Korotaev
2008-02-04 14:06                 ` [Devel] " Pavel Emelyanov
2008-02-04 15:00                   ` Daniel Lezcano
2008-02-04 15:16                     ` Pavel Emelyanov [this message]
2008-02-05  9:51           ` Oren Laadan
2008-02-05 18:00             ` Dave Hansen
2008-02-05 18:42             ` Serge E. Hallyn
2008-02-06  2:07               ` Oren Laadan
2008-02-06  5:00                 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2008-02-08 10:12               ` Pierre Peiffer
2008-01-29 16:02 ` [PATCH 2.6.24-rc8-mm1 10/15] (RFC) IPC: new IPC_SETID command to modify " pierre.peiffer
2008-01-29 16:02 ` [PATCH 2.6.24-rc8-mm1 11/15] (RFC) IPC: new IPC_SETALL command to modify all settings pierre.peiffer
2008-01-29 16:02 ` [PATCH 2.6.24-rc8-mm1 12/15] (RFC) IPC/semaphores: make use of RCU to free the sem_undo_list pierre.peiffer
2008-01-30 21:26   ` Serge E. Hallyn
2008-01-31  9:52     ` Pierre Peiffer
2008-01-29 16:02 ` [PATCH 2.6.24-rc8-mm1 13/15] (RFC) IPC/semaphores: per <pid> semundo file in procfs pierre.peiffer
2008-01-29 16:02 ` [PATCH 2.6.24-rc8-mm1 14/15] (RFC) IPC/semaphores: prepare semundo code to work on another task than current pierre.peiffer
2008-01-30 21:44   ` Serge E. Hallyn
2008-01-31  9:48     ` Pierre Peiffer
2008-01-31 18:01       ` Serge E. Hallyn
2008-02-01 12:09         ` Pierre Peiffer
2008-01-29 16:02 ` [PATCH 2.6.24-rc8-mm1 15/15] (RFC) IPC/semaphores: add write() operation to semundo file in procfs pierre.peiffer
2008-02-02 18:23 ` [PATCH 2.6.24-rc8-mm1 00/15] IPC: code rewrite + new functionalities Pavel Machek
2008-02-04 13:52   ` Pierre Peiffer
2008-02-04 15:44   ` Benjamin Thery
2008-02-04 19:51     ` Pavel Machek

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