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From: "H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>
To: Jeff Garzik <jgarzik@pobox.com>
Cc: "Randy Dunlap" <rdunlap@xenotime.net>,
	"Mark Lord" <kernel@teksavvy.com>,
	"Ahmed S. Darwish" <darwish.07@gmail.com>,
	"James Bottomley" <James.Bottomley@suse.de>,
	"Tejun Heo" <tj@kernel.org>, "Ingo Molnar" <mingo@elte.hu>,
	"Thomas Gleixner" <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	"Ingo Molnar" <mingo@redhat.com>, X86-ML <x86@kernel.org>,
	"Tony Luck" <tony.luck@intel.com>,
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	"Willy Tarreau" <wtarreau@hera.kernel.org>,
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	"Peter Zijlstra" <a.p.zijlstra@chello.nl>,
	"Frédéric Weisbecker" <fweisbec@gmail.com>,
	"Borislav Petkov" <bp@alien8.de>,
	"Arjan van de Ven" <arjan@infradead.org>,
	"Rusty Russell" <rusty@rustcorp.com.au>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 0/2][concept RFC] x86: BIOS-save kernel log to disk upon panic
Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2011 14:58:36 -0800
Message-ID: <4D3F559C.1050809@zytor.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4D3F529D.8060406@pobox.com>

On 01/25/2011 02:45 PM, Jeff Garzik wrote:
> On 01/25/2011 05:16 PM, Randy Dunlap wrote:
>> On Tue, 25 Jan 2011 17:10:49 -0500 Mark Lord wrote:
>>
>>> On 11-01-25 12:05 PM, Ahmed S. Darwish wrote:
>>>>
>>>> My current x86 laptop includes the very common ATA PIIX controller.
>>>
>>>
>>> ata_piix is just about ideal for this sort of thing.
>>>
>>> Except, don't use the BIOS to write the logs,
>>> but rather code/use a very simple set of polling-PIO
>>> functions to talk directly through the PIIX to the drive.
>>>
>>> Really really simple code to do that, and it would likely
>>> work with anything ata-piix, and most other non-AHCI chipsets too.
>>>
>>> Not perfect, but probably good enough for a lot of scenarios.
>>> The old hd.c driver shows how to read/write a sector at a time,
>>> and that kind of code is easily converted to simply poll for completion.
>>
>> I don't know how/where to find it, but Rusty Russell had a version of this
>> many, many years ago.
> 
> You beat me to the reply :)
> 
> http://lwn.net/Articles/9905/
> 
> but IIRC there were updates and improvements.
> 

"Not perfect" is really not good enough.  You're writing to the disk, so
it *has* to be perfect.  That means dealing with having shared IDE/AHCI
device and doing the right thing, and the possibility that the kernel
has interrupts enabled, yadda yadda.

In the end you end up with something that looks, again, like kexec/kdump.

	-hpa


  reply index

Thread overview: 35+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2011-01-25 13:47 Ahmed S. Darwish
2011-01-25 13:51 ` [PATCH -next 1/2][RFC] x86: Saveoops: Switch to real-mode and call BIOS Ahmed S. Darwish
2011-01-25 17:26   ` H. Peter Anvin
2011-01-25 13:53 ` [PATCH -next 2/2][RFC] x86: Saveoops: Reserve low memory and register code Ahmed S. Darwish
2011-01-25 17:29   ` H. Peter Anvin
2011-01-26  9:04     ` Ahmed S. Darwish
2011-01-25 14:09 ` [PATCH 0/2][concept RFC] x86: BIOS-save kernel log to disk upon panic Ingo Molnar
2011-01-25 15:08   ` Tejun Heo
2011-01-25 17:33     ` H. Peter Anvin
2011-01-26 11:44       ` Ahmed S. Darwish
2011-02-03 14:36     ` Pavel Machek
2011-02-03 15:28       ` H. Peter Anvin
2011-02-03 17:57         ` Ingo Molnar
2011-02-03 21:07           ` H. Peter Anvin
2011-01-25 15:36   ` Ahmed S. Darwish
2011-01-25 16:02     ` James Bottomley
2011-01-25 17:05       ` Ahmed S. Darwish
2011-01-25 17:20         ` James Bottomley
2011-01-25 22:10         ` Mark Lord
2011-01-25 22:16           ` Randy Dunlap
2011-01-25 22:45             ` Jeff Garzik
2011-01-25 22:58               ` H. Peter Anvin [this message]
2011-01-26  0:26                 ` Jeff Garzik
2011-01-31  2:59                 ` Rusty Russell
2011-01-31 10:45                   ` Ingo Molnar
2011-01-25 17:32     ` Tony Luck
2011-01-25 17:36       ` H. Peter Anvin
2011-01-25 19:04       ` Jeff Garzik
2011-01-25 14:49 ` Tejun Heo
2011-01-28  7:59   ` Jan Ceuleers
2011-01-25 20:25 ` Linus Torvalds
     [not found]   ` <20110126124954.GC24527@laptop>
2011-01-26 23:07     ` Luck, Tony
     [not found]       ` <20110126231620.GA14807@redhat.com>
     [not found]         ` <987664A83D2D224EAE907B061CE93D53019438EB02@orsmsx505.amr.corp.intel.com>
     [not found]           ` <20110126233033.GB14807@redhat.com>
     [not found]             ` <987664A83D2D224EAE907B061CE93D53019438EBB6@orsmsx505.amr.corp.intel.com>
     [not found]               ` <4D40F7F1.3020509@zytor.com>
     [not found]                 ` <20110127120039.GD20279@elte.hu>
2011-01-27 18:35                   ` Luck, Tony
     [not found]                   ` <4D4197CB.9070201@zytor.com>
     [not found]                     ` <20110127162429.GB26437@elte.hu>
2011-01-27 18:56                       ` Luck, Tony
     [not found]     ` <20110127021338.GA20334@redhat.com>
     [not found]       ` <4D40F81E.1030009@zytor.com>
     [not found]         ` <20110127052639.GA16289@laptop>
     [not found]           ` <m1sjweyeax.fsf@fess.ebiederm.org>
2011-02-02 11:13             ` Ahmed S. Darwish

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