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From: James Bottomley <James.Bottomley@HansenPartnership.com>
To: Yordan Karadzhov <y.karadz@gmail.com>,
	Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org>
Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org,
	viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk, mingo@redhat.com, hagen@jauu.net,
	rppt@kernel.org, akpm@linux-foundation.org, vvs@virtuozzo.com,
	shakeelb@google.com, christian.brauner@ubuntu.com,
	mkoutny@suse.com, Linux Containers <containers@lists.linux.dev>,
	"Eric W. Biederman" <ebiederm@xmission.com>
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH 0/4] namespacefs: Proof-of-Concept
Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2021 10:47:00 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <63f54c213253b80fcf3f8653766d5c6f5761034a.camel@HansenPartnership.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <e94c2ba9-226b-8275-bef7-28e854be3ffa@gmail.com>

On Mon, 2021-11-22 at 17:00 +0200, Yordan Karadzhov wrote:
> 
> On 22.11.21 г. 15:44 ч., James Bottomley wrote:
> > Well, no, the information may not all exist.  However, the point is
> > we can add it without adding additional namespace objects.
> > 
> > > Let's look the following case (oversimplified just to get the
> > > idea):
> > > 1. The process X is a parent of the process Y and both are in
> > > namespace 'A'.
> > > 3. "unshare" is used to place process Y (and all its child
> > > processes) in a new namespace B (A is a parent namespace of B).
> > > 4. "setns" is s used to move process X in namespace C.
> > > 
> > > How would you find the parent namespace of B?
> > Actually this one's quite easy: the parent of X in your setup still
> > has it.
> 
> Hmm, Isn't that true only if somehow we know that (3) happened before
> (4).

This depends.  There are only two parented namespaces: pid and user. 
You said you were only interested in pid for now.  setns on the process
only affects pid_for_children because you have to fork to enter the pid
namespace, so in your scenario X has a new ns/pid_for_children but its
own ns/pid never changed.  It's the ns/pid not the ns/pid_for_children
which is the parent.  This makes me suspect that the specific thing
you're trying to do: trace the pid parentage, can actually be done with
the information we have now.

If you do this with the user_ns, then you have a problem because it's
not fork on entry.  But, as I listed in the examples, there are a load
of other problems with tracing the user_ns tree.

James



  reply	other threads:[~2021-11-22 15:47 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 28+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2021-11-18 18:12 Yordan Karadzhov (VMware)
2021-11-18 18:12 ` [RFC PATCH 1/4] namespacefs: Introduce 'namespacefs' Yordan Karadzhov (VMware)
2021-11-18 18:12 ` [RFC PATCH 2/4] namespacefs: Add methods to create/remove PID namespace directories Yordan Karadzhov (VMware)
2021-11-18 18:12 ` [RFC PATCH 3/4] namespacefs: Couple namespacefs to the PID namespace Yordan Karadzhov (VMware)
2021-11-18 18:12 ` [RFC PATCH 4/4] namespacefs: Couple namespacefs to the UTS namespace Yordan Karadzhov (VMware)
2021-11-18 18:55 ` [RFC PATCH 0/4] namespacefs: Proof-of-Concept Eric W. Biederman
2021-11-18 19:02   ` Steven Rostedt
2021-11-18 19:22     ` Eric W. Biederman
2021-11-18 19:36       ` Steven Rostedt
2021-11-18 19:24   ` Steven Rostedt
2021-11-19  9:50     ` Kirill Tkhai
2021-11-19 12:45     ` James Bottomley
     [not found]       ` <20211119092758.1012073e@gandalf.local.home>
2021-11-19 16:42         ` James Bottomley
2021-11-19 17:14           ` Yordan Karadzhov
2021-11-19 17:22             ` Steven Rostedt
2021-11-19 23:22             ` James Bottomley
2021-11-20  0:07               ` Steven Rostedt
2021-11-20  0:14                 ` James Bottomley
     [not found]         ` <f6ca1f5bdb3b516688f291d9685a6a59f49f1393.camel@HansenPartnership.com>
2021-11-19 16:47           ` Steven Rostedt
2021-11-19 16:49             ` Steven Rostedt
2021-11-19 23:08               ` James Bottomley
2021-11-22 13:02                 ` Yordan Karadzhov
2021-11-22 13:44                   ` James Bottomley
2021-11-22 15:00                     ` Yordan Karadzhov
2021-11-22 15:47                       ` James Bottomley [this message]
2021-11-22 16:15                         ` Yordan Karadzhov
2021-11-19 14:26   ` Yordan Karadzhov
2021-11-18 21:24 ` Mike Rapoport

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