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From: Samium Gromoff <_deepfire@feelingofgreen.ru>
To: Valdis.Kletnieks@vt.edu
Cc: Samium Gromoff <_deepfire@feelingofgreen.ru>,
	David Wagner <daw@cs.berkeley.edu>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH] Undo some of the pseudo-security madness
Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2007 20:39:21 +0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <871wlnq7ue.wl@betelheise.deep.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <200701221520.l0MFKLdK032645@turing-police.cc.vt.edu>

At Mon, 22 Jan 2007 10:20:21 -0500,
Valdis.Kletnieks@vt.edu wrote:
> On Mon, 22 Jan 2007 02:23:30 +0300, Samium Gromoff said:
> >
> > not "core-dumps" but "core files", in the lispspeak, but anyway.
> > 
> > the reason is trivial -- if i can write programs enjoying setuid
> > privileges in C, i want to be able to do the same in Lisp.
> 
> Go read up on how the XEmacs crew designed their "portable dumper",
> specifically to get around a lot of these sorts of problems because the
> old Emacs 'unexec' code was incredibly fragile.

I should take the freedom to respond in your manner :-)

Are you saying that the usefulness of AS randomisation is
overall exceeding that of MAP_FIXED, and the latter should be
abolished?

Did we silently enter an era where support for buggy software
is more important than a basic mmap feature?

> > the only way to achieve this i see, is to directly setuid root
> > the lisp system executable itself -- because the lisp code
> > is read, compiled and executed in the process of the lisp
> > system executable.
> 
> If that's the only way you can see to do it, maybe you should think a
> bit harder before making kernel hacks to do something.

I want equal grounds for platforms, that`s all.

regards, Samium Gromoff

  reply	other threads:[~2007-01-22 17:39 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 38+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2007-01-21 23:23 Samium Gromoff
2007-01-21 23:34 ` David Wagner
2007-01-22  0:36   ` Kyle Moffett
2007-01-22  1:53     ` Samium Gromoff
2007-02-24  9:40       ` Florian Weimer
2007-02-24 13:33         ` Samium Gromoff
2007-02-24 13:49           ` Florian Weimer
2007-01-22 15:20 ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2007-01-22 17:39   ` Samium Gromoff [this message]
2007-01-23  8:48     ` Pavel Machek
2007-01-23 14:03       ` Samium Gromoff
2007-01-23 15:41         ` Alan
2007-01-23 20:21           ` [PATCH 0/2] Mechanism to turn of ASR on a per-ELF binary basis Samium Gromoff
2007-01-23 20:28           ` [PATCH 1/2] Define the EF_AS_NO_RANDOM e_flag bit Samium Gromoff
2007-01-23 20:50             ` Jakub Jelinek
2007-01-23 21:06               ` Samium Gromoff
2007-01-23 21:16                 ` Jakub Jelinek
2007-01-23 21:54                   ` Samium Gromoff
2007-01-23 23:21                   ` Samium Gromoff
2007-01-24 17:08                     ` Pavel Machek
2007-01-29  1:18             ` Arjan van de Ven
2007-01-23 20:31           ` [PATCH 2/2] Make the EF_AS_NO_RANDOM e_flag bit disable PF_RANDOMIZE Samium Gromoff
2007-02-24  9:51           ` [PATCH] Undo some of the pseudo-security madness Florian Weimer
2007-02-24 13:36             ` Samium Gromoff
2007-01-31  9:59         ` Arjan van de Ven
2007-02-01  8:05           ` Florian Weimer
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2007-01-22  0:54 Samium Gromoff
2007-01-20 14:37 Samium Gromoff
2007-01-20 16:12 ` Samium Gromoff
2007-01-20 21:58 ` David Wagner
2007-01-21  2:16 ` Arjan van de Ven
2007-01-21 21:38   ` Samium Gromoff
2007-01-21 22:09   ` Samium Gromoff
2007-01-21 22:16     ` David Wagner
2007-01-22  0:35     ` Arjan van de Ven
2007-01-22  1:15       ` Samium Gromoff
2007-01-22 17:52       ` Samium Gromoff
2007-01-23  8:44         ` Pavel Machek

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