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From: Jonathan Adams <jwadams@google.com>
To: Sean Christopherson <sean.j.christopherson@intel.com>
Cc: Andy Lutomirski <luto@amacapital.net>,
	Andy Lutomirski <luto@kernel.org>,
	Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
	Alexandre Chartre <alexandre.chartre@oracle.com>,
	Paolo Bonzini <pbonzini@redhat.com>,
	Radim Krcmar <rkrcmar@redhat.com>,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@redhat.com>, Borislav Petkov <bp@alien8.de>,
	"H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>,
	Dave Hansen <dave.hansen@linux.intel.com>,
	kvm list <kvm@vger.kernel.org>, X86 ML <x86@kernel.org>,
	Linux-MM <linux-mm@kvack.org>,
	LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk <konrad.wilk@oracle.com>,
	Jan Setje-Eilers <jan.setjeeilers@oracle.com>,
	Liran Alon <liran.alon@oracle.com>
Subject: Re: [RFC KVM 18/27] kvm/isolation: function to copy page table entries for percpu buffer
Date: Fri, 17 May 2019 17:05:32 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CA+VK+GOL_sY5aWYijg1_X6VgvDtFbRX2ymuSXhsZeZH2_tO2qg@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20190514223823.GE1977@linux.intel.com>

On Tue, May 14, 2019 at 3:38 PM Sean Christopherson
<sean.j.christopherson@intel.com> wrote:
> On Tue, May 14, 2019 at 02:55:18PM -0700, Andy Lutomirski wrote:
> > > On May 14, 2019, at 2:06 PM, Sean Christopherson <sean.j.christopherson@intel.com> wrote:
> > >> On Tue, May 14, 2019 at 01:33:21PM -0700, Andy Lutomirski wrote:
> > >> I suspect that the context switch is a bit of a red herring.  A
> > >> PCID-don't-flush CR3 write is IIRC under 300 cycles.  Sure, it's slow,
> > >> but it's probably minor compared to the full cost of the vm exit.  The
> > >> pain point is kicking the sibling thread.
> > >
> > > Speaking of PCIDs, a separate mm for KVM would mean consuming another
> > > ASID, which isn't good.
> >
> > I’m not sure we care. We have many logical address spaces (two per mm plus a
> > few more).  We have 4096 PCIDs, but we only use ten or so.  And we have some
> > undocumented number of *physical* ASIDs with some undocumented mechanism by
> > which PCID maps to a physical ASID.
>
> Yeah, I was referring to physical ASIDs.
>
> > I don’t suppose you know how many physical ASIDs we have?
>
> Limited number of physical ASIDs.  I'll leave it at that so as not to
> disclose something I shouldn't.
>
> > And how it interacts with the VPID stuff?
>
> VPID and PCID get factored into the final ASID, i.e. changing either one
> results in a new ASID.  The SDM's oblique way of saying that:
>
>   VPIDs and PCIDs (see Section 4.10.1) can be used concurrently. When this
>   is done, the processor associates cached information with both a VPID and
>   a PCID. Such information is used only if the current VPID and PCID both
>   match those associated with the cached information.
>
> E.g. enabling PTI in both the host and guest consumes four ASIDs just to
> run a single task in the guest:
>
>   - VPID=0, PCID=kernel
>   - VPID=0, PCID=user
>   - VPID=1, PCID=kernel
>   - VPID=1, PCID=user
>
> The impact of consuming another ASID for KVM would likely depend on both
> the guest and host configurations/worloads, e.g. if the guest is using a
> lot of PCIDs then it's probably a moot point.  It's something to keep in
> mind though if we go down this path.

One answer to that would be to have the KVM page tables use the same
PCID as the normal user-mode PTI page tables.  It's not ideal (since
the qemu/whatever process can see some kernel data via meltdown it
wouldn't be able to normally see), but might be an option to
investigate.

Cheers,
- jonathan

  reply	other threads:[~2019-05-18  0:06 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 86+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2019-05-13 14:38 [RFC KVM 00/27] KVM Address Space Isolation Alexandre Chartre
2019-05-13 14:38 ` [RFC KVM 01/27] kernel: Export memory-management symbols required for KVM address space isolation Alexandre Chartre
2019-05-13 15:15   ` Peter Zijlstra
2019-05-13 15:17     ` Liran Alon
2019-05-13 14:38 ` [RFC KVM 02/27] KVM: x86: Introduce address_space_isolation module parameter Alexandre Chartre
2019-05-13 15:46   ` Andy Lutomirski
2019-05-13 15:55     ` Alexandre Chartre
2019-05-13 14:38 ` [RFC KVM 03/27] KVM: x86: Introduce KVM separate virtual address space Alexandre Chartre
2019-05-13 15:45   ` Andy Lutomirski
2019-05-13 16:04     ` Alexandre Chartre
2019-05-13 14:38 ` [RFC KVM 04/27] KVM: x86: Switch to KVM address space on entry to guest Alexandre Chartre
2019-05-13 14:38 ` [RFC KVM 05/27] KVM: x86: Add handler to exit kvm isolation Alexandre Chartre
2019-05-13 15:49   ` Andy Lutomirski
2019-05-13 16:10     ` Alexandre Chartre
2019-05-13 14:38 ` [RFC KVM 06/27] KVM: x86: Exit KVM isolation on IRQ entry Alexandre Chartre
2019-05-13 15:51   ` Andy Lutomirski
2019-05-13 16:28     ` Alexandre Chartre
2019-05-13 18:13       ` Andy Lutomirski
2019-05-14  7:07         ` Peter Zijlstra
2019-05-14  7:58           ` Alexandre Chartre
2019-05-13 14:38 ` [RFC KVM 07/27] KVM: x86: Switch to host address space when may access sensitive data Alexandre Chartre
2019-05-13 14:38 ` [RFC KVM 08/27] KVM: x86: Optimize branches which checks if address space isolation enabled Alexandre Chartre
2019-05-13 14:38 ` [RFC KVM 09/27] kvm/isolation: function to track buffers allocated for the KVM page table Alexandre Chartre
2019-05-13 14:38 ` [RFC KVM 10/27] kvm/isolation: add KVM page table entry free functions Alexandre Chartre
2019-05-13 14:38 ` [RFC KVM 11/27] kvm/isolation: add KVM page table entry offset functions Alexandre Chartre
2019-05-13 14:38 ` [RFC KVM 12/27] kvm/isolation: add KVM page table entry allocation functions Alexandre Chartre
2019-05-13 14:38 ` [RFC KVM 13/27] kvm/isolation: add KVM page table entry set functions Alexandre Chartre
2019-05-13 14:38 ` [RFC KVM 14/27] kvm/isolation: functions to copy page table entries for a VA range Alexandre Chartre
2019-05-13 14:38 ` [RFC KVM 15/27] kvm/isolation: keep track of VA range mapped in KVM address space Alexandre Chartre
2019-05-13 14:38 ` [RFC KVM 16/27] kvm/isolation: functions to clear page table entries for a VA range Alexandre Chartre
2019-05-13 14:38 ` [RFC KVM 17/27] kvm/isolation: improve mapping copy when mapping is already present Alexandre Chartre
2019-05-13 14:38 ` [RFC KVM 18/27] kvm/isolation: function to copy page table entries for percpu buffer Alexandre Chartre
2019-05-13 18:18   ` Andy Lutomirski
2019-05-14  7:09     ` Peter Zijlstra
2019-05-14  8:25       ` Alexandre Chartre
2019-05-14  8:34         ` Andy Lutomirski
2019-05-14  9:41           ` Alexandre Chartre
2019-05-14 15:23             ` Andy Lutomirski
2019-05-14 16:24               ` Alexandre Chartre
2019-05-14 17:05                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2019-05-14 18:09                   ` Sean Christopherson
2019-05-14 20:33                     ` Andy Lutomirski
2019-05-14 21:06                       ` Sean Christopherson
2019-05-14 21:55                         ` Andy Lutomirski
2019-05-14 22:38                           ` Sean Christopherson
2019-05-18  0:05                             ` Jonathan Adams [this message]
2019-05-14 20:27                   ` Andy Lutomirski
2019-05-13 14:38 ` [RFC KVM 19/27] kvm/isolation: initialize the KVM page table with core mappings Alexandre Chartre
2019-05-13 15:50   ` Dave Hansen
2019-05-13 16:00     ` Andy Lutomirski
2019-05-13 17:00       ` Alexandre Chartre
2019-05-13 16:46     ` Sean Christopherson
2019-05-13 16:47     ` Alexandre Chartre
2019-05-14 10:26       ` Alexandre Chartre
2019-05-13 14:38 ` [RFC KVM 20/27] kvm/isolation: initialize the KVM page table with vmx specific data Alexandre Chartre
2019-05-13 14:38 ` [RFC KVM 21/27] kvm/isolation: initialize the KVM page table with vmx VM data Alexandre Chartre
2019-05-13 14:38 ` [RFC KVM 22/27] kvm/isolation: initialize the KVM page table with vmx cpu data Alexandre Chartre
2019-05-13 14:38 ` [RFC KVM 23/27] kvm/isolation: initialize the KVM page table with the vcpu tasks Alexandre Chartre
2019-05-13 14:38 ` [RFC KVM 24/27] kvm/isolation: KVM page fault handler Alexandre Chartre
2019-05-13 15:15   ` Peter Zijlstra
2019-05-13 21:25     ` Liran Alon
2019-05-14  2:02       ` Andy Lutomirski
2019-05-14  7:21         ` Peter Zijlstra
2019-05-14 15:36           ` Alexandre Chartre
2019-05-14 15:43             ` Andy Lutomirski
2019-05-13 16:02   ` Andy Lutomirski
2019-05-13 16:21     ` Alexandre Chartre
2019-05-13 14:38 ` [RFC KVM 25/27] kvm/isolation: implement actual KVM isolation enter/exit Alexandre Chartre
2019-05-13 15:16   ` Peter Zijlstra
2019-05-13 16:01   ` Andy Lutomirski
2019-05-13 14:38 ` [RFC KVM 26/27] kvm/isolation: initialize the KVM page table with KVM memslots Alexandre Chartre
2019-05-13 14:38 ` [RFC KVM 27/27] kvm/isolation: initialize the KVM page table with KVM buses Alexandre Chartre
2019-05-13 16:42 ` [RFC KVM 00/27] KVM Address Space Isolation Liran Alon
2019-05-13 18:17 ` Andy Lutomirski
2019-05-13 21:08   ` Liran Alon
2019-05-14  2:07     ` Andy Lutomirski
2019-05-14  7:37       ` Peter Zijlstra
2019-05-14 21:32         ` Jan Setje-Eilers
2019-05-14  8:05       ` Liran Alon
2019-05-14  7:29     ` Peter Zijlstra
2019-05-14  7:57       ` Liran Alon
2019-05-14  8:33     ` Alexandre Chartre
2019-05-13 19:31 ` Nakajima, Jun
2019-05-13 21:16   ` Liran Alon
     [not found]     ` <D07C8F51-F2DF-4C8B-AB3B-0DFABD5F4C33@intel.com>
2019-05-13 21:53       ` Liran Alon
2019-05-15 12:52 ` Alexandre Chartre

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