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From: Josh Don <joshdon@google.com>
To: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
Cc: Vincent Guittot <vincent.guittot@linaro.org>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@redhat.com>,
	Juri Lelli <juri.lelli@redhat.com>,
	Dietmar Eggemann <dietmar.eggemann@arm.com>,
	Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org>,
	Ben Segall <bsegall@google.com>, Mel Gorman <mgorman@suse.de>,
	Daniel Bristot de Oliveira <bristot@redhat.com>,
	Paul Turner <pjt@google.com>, Oleg Rombakh <olegrom@google.com>,
	Viresh Kumar <viresh.kumar@linaro.org>,
	Steve Sistare <steven.sistare@oracle.com>,
	Tejun Heo <tj@kernel.org>, Rik van Riel <riel@surriel.com>,
	linux-kernel <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 2/2] sched: adjust SCHED_IDLE interactions
Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2021 16:48:17 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CABk29NsVf9rLz_2k+aM8Uw29_Xm+J54=dUtWdHBD4+V+hRG+wA@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <YRpavaMk09iw0fkE@hirez.programming.kicks-ass.net>

Hi Peter,

On Mon, Aug 16, 2021 at 5:32 AM Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org> wrote:
>
> On Thu, Aug 12, 2021 at 02:09:15PM -0700, Josh Don wrote:
> > > > @@ -697,8 +699,18 @@ static u64 sched_slice(struct cfs_rq *cfs_rq, struct sched_entity *se)
> > > >                 slice = __calc_delta(slice, se->load.weight, load);
> > > >         }
> > > >
> > > > -       if (sched_feat(BASE_SLICE))
> > > > -               slice = max(slice, (u64)w);
> > > > +       if (sched_feat(BASE_SLICE)) {
> > > > +               /*
> > > > +                * SCHED_IDLE entities are not subject to min_granularity if
> > > > +                * they are competing with non SCHED_IDLE entities. As a result,
> > > > +                * non SCHED_IDLE entities will have reduced latency to get back
> > > > +                * on cpu, at the cost of increased context switch frequency of
> > > > +                * SCHED_IDLE entities.
> > > > +                */
> > >
> > > Ensuring that the entity will have a minimum runtime has been added to
> > > ensure that we let enough time to move forward.
> > > If you exclude sched_idle entities from this min runtime, the
> > > sched_slice of an idle_entity will be really small.
> > > I don't have details of your example above but I can imagine that it's
> > > a 16 cpus system which means a sysctl_sched_min_granularity=3.75ms
> > > which explains the 4ms running time of an idle entity
> > > For a 16 cpus system, the sched_slice of an idle_entity in your
> > > example in the cover letter is: 6*(1+log2(16))*3/1027=87us. Of course
> > > this become even worse with more threads and cgroups or thread with
> > > ncie prio -19
> > >
> > > This value is then used to set the next hrtimer event in SCHED_HRTICK
> > > and 87us is too small to make any progress
> > >
> > > The 1ms of your test comes from the tick which could be a good
> > > candidate for a min value or the
> > > normalized_sysctl_sched_min_granularity which has the advantage of not
> > > increasing with number of CPU
> >
> > Fair point, this shouldn't completely ignore min granularity. Something like
> >
> > unsigned int sysctl_sched_idle_min_granularity = NSEC_PER_MSEC;
> >
> > (and still only using this value instead of the default
> > min_granularity when the SCHED_IDLE entity is competing with normal
> > entities)
>
> TICK_NSEC ?

Based on discussion with Vincent, added a separate
sched_idle_min_granularity. Didn't make sense to me to define in terms
of TICK_NSEC, since e.g. we wouldn't necessarily want a smaller slice
on a higher HZ machine.

  reply	other threads:[~2021-08-17 23:48 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 20+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2021-07-30  2:00 [PATCH v2 0/2] SCHED_IDLE extensions Josh Don
2021-07-30  2:00 ` [PATCH v2 1/2] sched: cgroup SCHED_IDLE support Josh Don
2021-08-03  2:14   ` jun qian
2021-08-03 20:37     ` Josh Don
2021-08-05 10:18   ` Peter Zijlstra
2021-08-05 17:13     ` Tejun Heo
2021-08-05 23:54       ` Josh Don
2021-08-11 13:48   ` Vincent Guittot
2021-08-23  9:26   ` [tip: sched/core] sched: Cgroup " tip-bot2 for Josh Don
2021-07-30  2:00 ` [PATCH 2/2] sched: adjust SCHED_IDLE interactions Josh Don
2021-08-11 13:31   ` Vincent Guittot
2021-08-12 21:09     ` Josh Don
2021-08-13 12:43       ` Vincent Guittot
2021-08-13 23:55         ` Josh Don
2021-08-16 12:31       ` Peter Zijlstra
2021-08-17 23:48         ` Josh Don [this message]
2021-08-16 12:52     ` Peter Zijlstra
2021-08-16 12:56       ` Vincent Guittot
2021-08-17 23:40       ` Josh Don
2021-08-16 12:31   ` Peter Zijlstra

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