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From: Geraldo Nascimento <>
To: Takashi Iwai <>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] ALSA: usb-audio: fix incorrect clock source setting
Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2021 02:16:11 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <>

On Sun, Jul 25, 2021 at 7:44 AM Takashi Iwai <> wrote:
> On Sat, 24 Jul 2021 17:04:13 +0200,
> Geraldo Nascimento wrote:
> >
> > On Sat, Jul 24, 2021 at 8:05 AM Takashi Iwai <> wrote:
> > >
> > > This looks like a regression introduced by the recent commit
> > > d2e8f641257d ("ALSA: usb-audio: Explicitly set up the clock
> > > selector"), which is a fix for certain devices.  Too bad that the
> > > behavior really depends on the device...
> >
> > Dr. Iwai, perhaps we could restrict the generalized fix for the
> > Behringer UFX1604 / UFX1204 with some simple logic to devices that
> > only have *one* clock source.
> >
> > In that case the clock selector must be set to the only clock source.
> >
> > This way we keep the generalization without breaking devices with more
> > than one clock source.
> >
> > Just an idea.
> I don't think it's easy to generalize.  All those bugs are more or
> less BIOS bugs, and a logic doesn't apply always, just because it's a
> bug :)  For example, setting the clock selector itself should be a
> valid operation from the specification POV, while this leads to
> breakage on some devices.  So, even if we add a more generic
> workaround, we need to see which side effect is more commonly seen at
> first.
> Takashi


Like I said in one of the other emails in this thread, it's hard to
pinpoint a cause for the breakage of Samsung USBC Headset (AKG) with
VID/PID (0x04e8/0xa051) without the lsusb -v of the device in

But from the description Chihhao Chen gave in the original message,
I'm *guessing* the Clock Source for the Samsung USB Headset (AKG) runs
at 48000hz and that we'd see a 2x Clock Multiplier in the lsusb -v

This is all a wild guess, without the lsusb -v it's impossible to be
sure, but if I'm right then the valid setting for the Microphone's
Clock Selector is the Clock Multiplier, not the Clock Source, which,
remember, runs at half the clock, hence why Chihhao Chen sees half the
data rate for USB IN.

Unfortunately our kernel code presently *does* always set the Clock
Selector to the Clock Source, which is a bad assumption to make in my
humble opinion.

The only valid case for setting the Clock Selector to the Clock Source
is when there's precisely one Clock Selector, precisely one Clock
Source and no Clock Multipliers.

In that special case we may be able to touch the setting of the only
Clock Selector to match the only Clock Source.

And, frankly, the only reason we're forced to do that explicitly is
because some Behringer gear (Archwave AG DACs) gets confused and seems
to somehow keep the old rate on the Clock Selector upon sample rate

Thank you,
Geraldo Nascimento

  reply	other threads:[~2021-07-26  5:16 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 15+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2021-07-24  4:23 chihhao.chen
2021-07-24  8:04 ` Takashi Iwai
2021-07-24 15:04   ` Geraldo Nascimento
2021-07-24 15:20     ` Geraldo Nascimento
2021-07-24 18:42       ` Geraldo Nascimento
2021-07-25  7:44     ` Takashi Iwai
2021-07-26  2:16       ` Geraldo Nascimento [this message]
2021-07-26  8:42         ` chihhao chen
2021-07-26 20:57           ` Geraldo Nascimento
2021-07-27 10:27             ` chihhao.chen
2021-07-27 17:56               ` Geraldo Nascimento
2021-07-28  1:19                 ` Geraldo Nascimento
2021-08-05  7:54             ` chihhao.chen
2021-08-05 15:50               ` Geraldo Nascimento
     [not found]                 ` <>
2021-08-05 22:03                   ` Geraldo Nascimento

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