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From: Andy Lutomirski <luto@amacapital.net>
To: Andi Kleen <andi@firstfloor.org>
Cc: "H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>,
	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
	"linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Al Viro <viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk>,
	"the arch/x86 maintainers" <x86@kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 2/2] x86_64,signal: Remove 'fs' and 'gs' from sigcontext
Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2014 14:17:08 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CALCETrVTm0YWCoj8pLEi9Yu1ECiYLV8CgDhEVehzgw_21eSNAw@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20140712185202.GX18735@two.firstfloor.org>

On Sat, Jul 12, 2014 at 11:52 AM, Andi Kleen <andi@firstfloor.org> wrote:
> On Sat, Jul 12, 2014 at 11:40:03AM -0700, H. Peter Anvin wrote:
>> Because you are doing something weird (like Pin, for example) and take an asynchronous fault?
>
> But even for pin that would need executing 16 bit code, or really weird
> 32bit code. AFAIK for 32bit the only good use case was NX emulation
> (and old virtualization) which are both completely obsolete.

Nothing particularly weird is needed.  Set a non-default stack segment
(e.g. any 16-bit ss) and take *any* fault.  This could be something
asynchronous or even a normal synchronous fault.  Return from the
signal handler: boom.

We know that people use 16-bit stack segments: it's what prompted the
whole espfix64 thing.

>
> I don't think it's worth messing with the signal handlers for 16bit
> code. If there's any problem with saving/restoring state that emulator
> can always handle it by itself.
>

How?

I can think of at least two vaguely feasible ways.  The program could
ptrace itself, trap sigreturn, and fix ss.  Or it could restore
registers itself and return using far ret or iret.  Both suck.

--Andy

  reply	other threads:[~2014-07-12 21:17 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 16+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2014-07-11 16:29 [PATCH 0/2] x86_64,signal: Fix the set of saved segment registers Andy Lutomirski
2014-07-11 16:29 ` [PATCH 1/2] x86_64,signal: Save and restore SS in signal frames Andy Lutomirski
2015-03-09 20:15   ` Andy Lutomirski
2014-07-11 16:29 ` [PATCH 2/2] x86_64,signal: Remove 'fs' and 'gs' from sigcontext Andy Lutomirski
2014-07-11 18:12   ` Andi Kleen
2014-07-11 18:39     ` Andy Lutomirski
2014-07-12  2:09       ` H. Peter Anvin
2014-07-12  2:04   ` H. Peter Anvin
2014-07-12  2:21   ` Linus Torvalds
2014-07-12  2:26     ` H. Peter Anvin
2014-07-12  8:39     ` Andy Lutomirski
2014-07-12 18:37       ` Andi Kleen
2014-07-12 18:40         ` H. Peter Anvin
2014-07-12 18:52           ` Andi Kleen
2014-07-12 21:17             ` Andy Lutomirski [this message]
2014-07-18  1:13               ` Andy Lutomirski

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