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From: Tyler Baker <>
To: Shuah Khan <>
Cc: Prarit Bhargava <>,
	John Stultz <>,
	lkml <>,
	Thomas Gleixner <>,
	Richard Cochran <>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 1/2] kselftests: timers: Make set-timer-lat fail more gracefully for !CAP_WAKE_ALARM
Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2015 11:58:19 -0700	[thread overview]
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On 2 April 2015 at 10:48, Shuah Khan <> wrote:
> On 04/02/2015 11:17 AM, Tyler Baker wrote:
>> On 2 April 2015 at 06:43, Shuah Khan <> wrote:
>>> On 04/02/2015 04:18 AM, Prarit Bhargava wrote:
>>>> On 03/26/2015 01:33 PM, Tyler Baker wrote:
>>>>> On 26 March 2015 at 09:29, John Stultz <> wrote:
>>>>>> On Thu, Mar 26, 2015 at 4:31 AM, Prarit Bhargava <> wrote:
>>>>>>> On 03/25/2015 07:44 PM, John Stultz wrote:
>>>>>>>> +                     printf("%-22s %s missing CAP_WAKE_ALARM?    : [UNSUPPORTED]\n",
>>>>>>>> +                                     clockstring(clock_id),
>>>>>>>> +                                     flags ? "ABSTIME":"RELTIME");
>>>>>>> Something to think about:  Do you want to write these tests to be more human
>>>>>>> readable or machine readable?  In theory with awk I guess it doesn't matter too
>>>>>>> much, however, it is something that we should think about moving forward.
>>>>>> So this came up at ELC in a few discussions. Right now there isn't any
>>>>>> established output format, but there's some nice and simple
>>>>>> infrastructure for counting pass/fails.
>>>>>> However, in talking to Tyler, I know he has started looking at how to
>>>>>> integrate the selftests into our automated infrastructure and was
>>>>>> interested in how we improve the output parsing for reports. So there
>>>>>> is interest in improving this, and I'm open to whatever changes might
>>>>>> be needed (adding extra arguments to the test to put them into "easy
>>>>>> parse" mode or whatever).
>>>>> Thanks for looping me in John. My interest in kselftest stems from my
>>>>> involvement with, a communityservice focused on upstream
>>>>> kernel validation across multiple architectures. In it's current form,
>>>>> it is merely build and boot testing boards. However, we are at a point
>>>>> where we'd like to start running some tests. The automation framework
>>>>> (LAVA) used to execute these tests essentially uses a regular
>>>>> expression to parse the test's standard output. This is advantageous
>>>>> as a test can be written in any language, as long as it produces sane
>>>>> uniform output.
>>>>> Ideally, we would like to perform the kernel builds as we do today
>>>>> along with building all the kseltests present in the tree, and
>>>>> inserting them into a 'testing' ramdisk for deployment. Once we
>>>>> successfully boot the platform, we execute all the kselftests, parse
>>>>> standard out, and report the results. The benefit from this
>>>>> implementation is that a developer writing a test does have to do
>>>>> anything 'special' to get his/her test to run once it has been applied
>>>>> to a upstream tree. I'll explain below some concerns I have about
>>>>> accomplishing this.
>>>>> Currently, we have had to write wrappers[1][2] for some kselftests to
>>>>> be able parse the output. If we can choose/agree on a standard output
>>>>> format all of this complexity goes away, and then we can dynamically
>>>>> run kselftests. Integration of new tests will not be needed, as they
>>>>> all produce output in standard way. I've taken a look at the wiki page
>>>>> for standardizing output[3] and TAP looks like the good format IMO.
>>>>> Also, for arch != x86 there are some barriers to overcome to get all
>>>>> the kselftests cross compiling, which would be nice to have as well.
>>>>> I realize this may be a good amount of work, so I'd like to help out.
>>>>> Perhaps working John to convert his timer tests to use TAP output
>>>>> would be a good starting point?
>>>> John, I could probably do that for you.  I'm always willing to give it a shot.
>>> Improving reporting and output is a good idea, as long as the
>>> reporting framework doesn't add external dependencies and makes
>>> it difficult to build and run tests from the kernel git tree
>>> environment. Being able to run tests on a development system
>>> is the primary objective for these tests.
>>> As long as the TAP doesn't require additional libraries and
>>> tools to be installed on the development systems, I will be
>>> happy with the improvements to reporting and output.
>> This is a very valid concern IMO. There is a C library for TAP
>> providers[0] but I agree we want to avoid external libraries as
>> dependencies. Perhaps, it would be simple enough to write a selftest
>> harness that provides a basic interface for displaying test results,
>> messages, and warning/errors. This harness would ensure all the
>> logging was done in a TAP compliant manner. Food for thought :)
> The harness has to cover tests in written in C as well as shell
> scripts. I added a simple framework in kselftest.h as a step
> towards harness. However, it needs more work. I would welcome
> any patches that would provide a harness that meets the needs
> of external selftest use-cases such as yours.

Ok, I'll have a closer look at kselftest.h.

> Is writing a simple TAP compliant harness something you can take
> on?? Looking for volunteers :)

I'll volunteer to pick up these work items :) I should be able to
start on this work at some point next week.

John brought up some good points about the TAP format, and I'm
personally not yet convinced it is the best format. That being said,
I'll work to keep the changes to the harness generic so that we can
easily switch test output formats if we decide there is something
better than TAP in the future.

> thanks,
> -- Shuah
> --
> Shuah Khan
> Sr. Linux Kernel Developer
> Open Source Innovation Group
> Samsung Research America (Silicon Valley)
> | (970) 217-8978



  reply	other threads:[~2015-04-02 18:58 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 20+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2015-03-25 23:44 John Stultz
2015-03-25 23:44 ` [PATCH 2/2] kselftests: timers: Reduce default runtime on inconsistency-check and set-timer-lat John Stultz
2015-03-26 11:32   ` Prarit Bhargava
2015-03-26 16:20     ` John Stultz
2015-03-31 16:01       ` Shuah Khan
2015-03-31 19:47         ` Shuah Khan
2015-03-26 11:31 ` [PATCH 1/2] kselftests: timers: Make set-timer-lat fail more gracefully for !CAP_WAKE_ALARM Prarit Bhargava
2015-03-26 16:29   ` John Stultz
2015-03-26 17:33     ` Tyler Baker
2015-04-02 10:18       ` Prarit Bhargava
2015-04-02 13:43         ` Shuah Khan
2015-04-02 17:17           ` Tyler Baker
2015-04-02 17:48             ` Shuah Khan
2015-04-02 18:58               ` Tyler Baker [this message]
2015-04-02 18:02         ` John Stultz
2015-04-07 14:20           ` Prarit Bhargava
2015-04-08  4:03           ` Michael Ellerman
2015-04-02 10:14     ` Prarit Bhargava
2015-03-31 15:55   ` Shuah Khan
2015-04-02  3:42     ` John Stultz

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