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From: Riley Williams <rhw@MemAlpha.CX>
To: Mike Fedyk <mfedyk@matchmail.com>
Cc: David =?unknown-8bit?Q?G=F3mez?= <davidge@jazzfree.com>,
	Linux-kernel <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: IDE DMA errors [was: Some ext2 errors]
Date: Sun, 7 Oct 2001 23:39:04 +0100 (BST)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.33.0110072325330.6632-100000@infradead.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20011007110212.A22412@mikef-linux.matchmail.com>

Hi Mike.

 >>> I see this regularly on one of my systems, and hdparm has never
 >>> even been insatalled on that system. If I put the drive in a
 >>> different system, the drive reports clean, but whatever drive I
 >>> put in here regularly reports that problem.

 >> Yes, i also have seen this error also when not using hdparm, so
 >> it's not the cause of this ext2 errors.

 > Oh, sorry, I blamed before I had facts... my bad.

I've done that in the past - it's easy to do - but nowadays, I tend to
wait for more facts before assuming - although I'm by no means perfect
in that regard...

 >>> As far as I can tell, it's a problem with the PSU in the computer
 >>> in question, as I can swap ANYTHING else in there, motherboard
 >>> included, without the problem going away on that drive, but as
 >>> soon as I swap the PSU, the problems vanish - even if I put a PSU
 >>> with a lower rating in its place.

 >> If i see this error show more times i'll try to replace the PSU.
 >> First I think is has some relation with my VIA chipset, but if you
 >> tell me you have changed even your motherboard... ;)

 > It may not be your MB or drive, but an interaction between them.
 > I.E. Your bios could've told the linux driver to use a higher
 > dma level than the drive likes.

Always possible, but I'd consider it unlikely that using the SAME
motherboard and drive, but with a different PSU would have any affect
whatsoever if such was the reason.

I would presume that the old PSU was just too noisy for that
particular drive, and a new PSU is rather quieter in that regard.

 > Try running "hdparm -d0 /dev/hda" (since your drive is hda in
 > this case...) And see if the problem goes away. If it does, then
 > try Multimode dma, if (-X34) you get errors, try single mode
 > (probably -X31), if you get no errors there, try UDMA mode 2
 > (-X66, also make sure you have a 80 line ide cable) and see if
 > any of the problems come back.

Unfortunately, none of that is relevant in my case...see below...

 >>>> Yeah. If you can't figure out hdparm, leave it alone.

 >>> Who says hdparm has anything to do with it?

 >> He says, it seems he has very deep knowledge of hdparm 'secrets'.

 > Again, sorry for being presumptuous. I've only been able to cause
 > this with hdparm. Maybe I'm just not using new enough hardware...

The system in question is my network printserver, which has a 386sx/16
processor and a very definitely 40 line cable with no support for
anything else. The hard drive is an antique Maxtor 800M one, and I
have no problem assuring you that it's not possible to buy that model
new, and hasn't been for some years now...

Best wishes from Riley.


  reply	other threads:[~2001-10-07 22:38 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 10+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2001-10-06 15:15 Some ext2 errors davidge
2001-10-06 19:13 ` Mike Fedyk
2001-10-06 23:05   ` Riley Williams
2001-10-07 13:15     ` David Gómez 
2001-10-07 18:02       ` IDE DMA errors [was: Some ext2 errors] Mike Fedyk
2001-10-07 22:39         ` Riley Williams [this message]
2001-10-08  0:32           ` Mike Fedyk
2001-10-08  0:51             ` David Gómez 
2001-10-08 11:19             ` Riley Williams
2001-10-08 18:24               ` David Gómez 

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