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From: Alan Stern <stern@rowland.harvard.edu>
To: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
Cc: Daniel Jordan <daniel.m.jordan@oracle.com>,
<parri.andrea@gmail.com>, <will.deacon@arm.com>,
<boqun.feng@gmail.com>, <npiggin@gmail.com>,
<dhowells@redhat.com>, <j.alglave@ucl.ac.uk>,
<luc.maranget@inria.fr>, <paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
<akiyks@gmail.com>, <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
Steven Sistare <steven.sistare@oracle.com>,
Pasha Tatashin <pasha.tatashin@oracle.com>
Subject: Re: Control dependency between prior load in while condition and later store?
Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2018 10:35:22 -0400 (EDT) [thread overview]
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44L0.1804051022170.1384-100000@iolanthe.rowland.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20180405073204.GP4043@hirez.programming.kicks-ass.net>
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On Thu, 5 Apr 2018, Peter Zijlstra wrote:
> On Wed, Apr 04, 2018 at 04:35:32PM -0400, Alan Stern wrote:
> > On Wed, 4 Apr 2018, Daniel Jordan wrote:
> >
> > > A question for memory-barriers.txt aficionados.
> > >
> > > Is there a control dependency between the prior load of 'a' and the
> > > later store of 'c'?:
> > >
> > > while (READ_ONCE(a));
> > > WRITE_ONCE(c, 1);
> >
> > I would say that yes, there is.
>
> Indeed.
>
> > Yes, except that a more accurate view of the object code would be
> > something like this:
> >
> > Loop: r1 = READ_ONCE(a);
> > if (r1)
> > goto Loop;
> > else
> > ; // Do nothing
> > WRITE_ONCE(c, 1);
> >
> > Here you can see that one path branches backward, so everything
> > following the "if" is dependent on the READ_ONCE.
>
> Agreed, and I think I even have code that relies on such a pattern
> somewhere.. Ah.. yes, see smp_cond_load_acquire().
One does have to be very careful when talking about compiler behavior.
This happens to be a particularly delicate point. My old copy of the
C++11 draft standard says (section 1.10 paragraph 24):
The implementation may assume that any thread will eventually do one of
the following:
â- terminate,
â- make a call to a library I/O function,
â- access or modify a volatile object, or
â- perform a synchronization operation or an atomic operation.
[ Note: This is intended to allow compiler transformations such as
removal of empty loops, even when termination cannot be proven. - end
note ]
In this example, READ_ONCE() is in fact a volatile access, so we're
okay. But if it weren't, the compiler might decide to assume the loop
will eventually terminate, meaning that the WRITE_ONCE() would always
be executed eventually. Then there would be nothing to prevent the
compiler from moving the WRITE_ONCE() up before the start of the loop,
which would of course destroy the control dependency.
Alan
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2018-04-05 14:35 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 7+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2018-04-04 19:29 Daniel Jordan
2018-04-04 20:35 ` Alan Stern
2018-04-04 21:10 ` Daniel Jordan
2018-04-05 7:32 ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-04-05 14:35 ` Alan Stern [this message]
2018-04-05 14:56 ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-04-05 15:16 ` Alan Stern
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