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From: Alan Stern <stern@rowland.harvard.edu>
To: Bjorn Helgaas <helgaas@kernel.org>
Cc: Kai Heng Feng <kai.heng.feng@canonical.com>,
	Rafael Wysocki <rafael.j.wysocki@intel.com>,
	<linux-pci@vger.kernel.org>, LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Mathias Nyman <mathias.nyman@intel.com>,
	<linux-usb@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] PCI / PM: Don't runtime suspend when device only supports wakeup from D0
Date: Wed, 22 May 2019 14:39:56 -0400 (EDT)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44L0.1905221433310.1410-100000@iolanthe.rowland.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20190522181157.GC79339@google.com>

On Wed, 22 May 2019, Bjorn Helgaas wrote:

> On Wed, May 22, 2019 at 11:46:25PM +0800, Kai Heng Feng wrote:
> > > On May 22, 2019, at 9:48 PM, Bjorn Helgaas <helgaas@kernel.org> wrote:
> > > On Wed, May 22, 2019 at 11:42:14AM +0800, Kai Heng Feng wrote:
> > >> at 6:23 AM, Bjorn Helgaas <helgaas@kernel.org> wrote:
> > >>> On Wed, May 22, 2019 at 12:31:04AM +0800, Kai-Heng Feng wrote:
> > >>>> There's an xHC device that doesn't wake when a USB device gets plugged
> > >>>> to its USB port. The driver's own runtime suspend callback was called,
> > >>>> PME signaling was enabled, but it stays at PCI D0.
> 
> > > ...
> > > And I guess this patch basically means we wouldn't call the driver's
> > > suspend callback if we're merely going to stay at D0, so the driver
> > > would have no idea anything happened.  That might match
> > > Documentation/power/pci.txt better, because it suggests that the
> > > suspend callback is related to putting a device in a low-power state,
> > > and D0 is not a low-power state.
> > 
> > Yes, the patch is to let the device stay at D0 and don’t run driver’s own
> > runtime suspend routine.
> > 
> > I guess I’ll just proceed to send a V2 with updated commit message?
> 
> Now that I understand what "runtime suspended to D0" means, help me
> understand what's actually wrong.

Kai's point is that the xhci-hcd driver thinks the device is now in 
runtime suspend, because the runtime_suspend method has been executed.  
But in fact the device is still in D0, and as a result, PME signalling 
may not work correctly.

On the other hand, it wasn't clear from the patch description whether
this actually causes a problem on real systems.  The description only
said that the problem was theoretical.

> The PCI core apparently *does* enable PME when we "suspend to D0".
> But somehow calling the xHCI runtime suspend callback makes the driver
> unable to notice when the PME is signaled?

According to Kai, PME signalling doesn't work in D0 -- or at least, it
is _documented_ not to work in D0 -- even though it is enabled and the
device claims to support it.

In any case, I don't really see any point in "runtime suspending" a 
device while leaving it in D0.  We might as well just leave it alone.

Alan Stern


  reply	other threads:[~2019-05-22 18:39 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 18+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2019-05-21 16:31 Kai-Heng Feng
2019-05-21 22:23 ` Bjorn Helgaas
2019-05-22  3:42   ` Kai Heng Feng
2019-05-22 13:48     ` Bjorn Helgaas
2019-05-22 15:46       ` Kai Heng Feng
2019-05-22 18:11         ` Bjorn Helgaas
2019-05-22 18:39           ` Alan Stern [this message]
2019-05-22 18:53             ` Lukas Wunner
2019-05-22 19:05               ` Kai Heng Feng
2019-05-22 20:52             ` Bjorn Helgaas
2019-05-23  4:39               ` Kai-Heng Feng
2019-05-27 16:57                 ` Bjorn Helgaas
2019-06-05 11:57                   ` Bjorn Helgaas
2019-07-05  7:02                     ` Kai-Heng Feng
2019-07-05  9:39                       ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2019-07-05 13:51                         ` Kai-Heng Feng
2019-07-09 13:45                       ` Bjorn Helgaas
2019-09-02 13:47                         ` Kai-Heng Feng

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