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From: Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org>
To: "Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com>
Cc: Peter Zijlstra <a.p.zijlstra@chello.nl>,
LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>, Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>,
Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
Christoph Hellwig <hch@infradead.org>,
Mathieu Desnoyers <mathieu.desnoyers@polymtl.ca>,
Gregory Haskins <ghaskins@novell.com>,
Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo <acme@ghostprotocols.net>,
Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
Tim Bird <tim.bird@am.sony.com>, Sam Ravnborg <sam@ravnborg.org>,
"Frank Ch. Eigler" <fche@redhat.com>,
Jan Kiszka <jan.kiszka@siemens.com>,
John Stultz <johnstul@us.ibm.com>,
Arjan van de Ven <arjan@infradead.org>,
Steven Rostedt <srostedt@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 02/22 -v7] Add basic support for gcc profiler instrumentation
Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2008 17:03:47 -0500 (EST) [thread overview]
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.58.0802041650510.4454@gandalf.stny.rr.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20080204214023.GC29646@linux.vnet.ibm.com>
On Mon, 4 Feb 2008, Paul E. McKenney wrote:
> OK, will see what I can do...
>
> > On Sat, 2 Feb 2008, Paul E. McKenney wrote:
> >
> > > Yep, you have dependencies, so something like the following:
> > >
> > > initial state:
> > >
> > > struct foo {
> > > int a;
> > > };
> > > struct foo x = { 0 };
> > > struct foo y = { 0 };
> > > struct foo *global_p = &y;
> > > /* other variables are appropriately declared auto variables */
> > >
> > > /* No kmalloc() or kfree(), hence no RCU grace periods. */
> > > /* In the terminology of http://lwn.net/Articles/262464/, we */
> > > /* are doing only publish-subscribe, nothing else. */
> > >
> > > writer:
> > >
> > > x.a = 1;
> > > smp_wmb(); /* or smp_mb() */
> > > global_p = &x;
> > >
> > > reader:
> > >
> > > p = global_p;
> > > ta = p->a;
> > >
> > > Both Alpha and aggressive compiler optimizations can result in the reader
> > > seeing the new value of the pointer (&x) but the old value of the field
> > > (0). Strange but true. The fix is as follows:
> > >
> > > reader:
> > >
> > > p = global_p;
> > > smp_read_barrier_depends(); /* or use rcu_dereference() */
> > > ta = p->a;
> > >
> > > So how can this happen? First note that if smp_read_barrier_depends()
> > > was unnecessary in this case, it would be unnecessary in all cases.
> > >
> > > Second, let's start with the compiler. Suppose that a highly optimizing
> > > compiler notices that in almost all cases, the reader finds p==global_p.
> > > Suppose that this compiler also notices that one of the registers (say
> > > r1) almost always contains this expected value of global_p, and that
> > > cache pressure ensures that an actual load from global_p almost always
> > > generates an expensive cache miss. Such a compiler would be within its
> > > rights (as defined by the C standard) to generate code assuming that r1
> > > already had the right value, while also generating code to validate this
> > > assumption, perhaps as follows:
> > >
> > > r2 = global_p; /* high latency, other things complete meanwhile */
> > > ta == r1->a;
> > > if (r1 != r2)
> > > ta = r2->a;
> > >
> > > Now consider the following sequence of events on a superscalar CPU:
> >
> > I think you missed one step here (causing my confusion). I don't want to
> > assume so I'll try to put in the missing step:
> >
> > writer: r1 = p; /* happens to use r1 to store parameter p */
>
> You lost me on this one... The writer has only the following three steps:
You're right. I meant "writer: r1 = x;"
>
> writer:
>
> x.a = 1;
> smp_wmb(); /* or smp_mb() */
> global_p = &x;
>
> Where did the "r1 = p" come from? For that matter, where did "p" come
> from?
>
> > > reader: r2 = global_p; /* issued, has not yet completed. */
> > > reader: ta = r1->a; /* which gives zero. */
> > > writer: x.a = 1;
> > > writer: smp_wmb();
> > > writer: global_p = &x;
> > > reader: r2 = global_p; /* this instruction now completes */
> > > reader: if (r1 != r2) /* and these are equal, so we keep bad ta! */
> >
> > Is that the case?
>
> Ah! Please note that I am doing something unusual here in that I am
> working with global variables, as opposed to the normal RCU practice of
> dynamically allocating memory. So "x" is just a global struct, not a
> pointer to a struct.
>
But lets look at a simple version of my original code anyway ;-)
Writer:
void add_op(struct myops *x) {
/* x->next may be garbage here */
x->next = global_p;
smp_wmb();
global_p = x;
}
Reader:
void read_op(void)
{
struct myops *p = global_p;
while (p != NULL) {
p->func();
p = next;
/* if p->next is garbage we crash */
}
}
Here, we are missing the read_barrier_depends(). Lets look at the Alpha
cache issue:
reader reads the new version of global_p, and then reads the next
pointer. But since the next pointer is on a different cacheline than
global_p, it may have somehow had that in it's cache still. So it uses the
old next pointer which contains the garbage.
Is that correct?
But I will have to admit, that I can't see how an aggressive compiler
might have screwed this up. Being that x is a parameter, and the function
add_op is not in a header file.
-- Steve
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2008-02-04 22:04 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 45+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2008-01-30 3:15 [PATCH 00/22 -v7] mcount and latency tracing utility -v7 Steven Rostedt
2008-01-30 3:15 ` [PATCH 01/22 -v7] printk - dont wakeup klogd with interrupts disabled Steven Rostedt
2008-01-30 3:15 ` [PATCH 02/22 -v7] Add basic support for gcc profiler instrumentation Steven Rostedt
2008-01-30 8:46 ` Peter Zijlstra
2008-01-30 13:08 ` Steven Rostedt
2008-01-30 14:09 ` Steven Rostedt
2008-01-30 14:25 ` Peter Zijlstra
2008-02-01 22:34 ` Paul E. McKenney
2008-02-02 1:56 ` Steven Rostedt
2008-02-02 21:41 ` Paul E. McKenney
2008-02-04 17:09 ` Steven Rostedt
2008-02-04 21:40 ` Paul E. McKenney
2008-02-04 22:03 ` Steven Rostedt [this message]
2008-02-04 22:41 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2008-02-05 6:11 ` Paul E. McKenney
2008-02-05 5:13 ` Paul E. McKenney
2008-01-30 13:21 ` Jan Kiszka
2008-01-30 13:53 ` Steven Rostedt
2008-01-30 14:28 ` Steven Rostedt
2008-01-30 3:15 ` [PATCH 03/22 -v7] Annotate core code that should not be traced Steven Rostedt
2008-01-30 3:15 ` [PATCH 04/22 -v7] x86_64: notrace annotations Steven Rostedt
2008-01-30 3:15 ` [PATCH 05/22 -v7] add notrace annotations to vsyscall Steven Rostedt
2008-01-30 8:49 ` Peter Zijlstra
2008-01-30 13:15 ` Steven Rostedt
2008-01-30 3:15 ` [PATCH 06/22 -v7] handle accurate time keeping over long delays Steven Rostedt
2008-01-30 3:15 ` [PATCH 07/22 -v7] initialize the clock source to jiffies clock Steven Rostedt
2008-01-30 3:15 ` [PATCH 08/22 -v7] add get_monotonic_cycles Steven Rostedt
2008-01-30 3:15 ` [PATCH 09/22 -v7] add notrace annotations to timing events Steven Rostedt
2008-01-30 3:15 ` [PATCH 10/22 -v7] mcount based trace in the form of a header file library Steven Rostedt
2008-01-30 3:15 ` [PATCH 11/22 -v7] Add context switch marker to sched.c Steven Rostedt
2008-01-30 3:15 ` [PATCH 12/22 -v7] Make the task State char-string visible to all Steven Rostedt
2008-01-30 3:15 ` [PATCH 13/22 -v7] Add tracing of context switches Steven Rostedt
2008-01-30 3:15 ` [PATCH 14/22 -v7] Generic command line storage Steven Rostedt
2008-01-30 3:15 ` [PATCH 15/22 -v7] trace generic call to schedule switch Steven Rostedt
2008-01-30 3:15 ` [PATCH 16/22 -v7] Add marker in try_to_wake_up Steven Rostedt
2008-01-30 3:15 ` [PATCH 17/22 -v7] mcount tracer for wakeup latency timings Steven Rostedt
2008-01-30 9:31 ` Peter Zijlstra
2008-01-30 13:18 ` Steven Rostedt
2008-01-30 3:15 ` [PATCH 18/22 -v7] Trace irq disabled critical timings Steven Rostedt
2008-01-30 3:15 ` [PATCH 19/22 -v7] trace preempt off " Steven Rostedt
2008-01-30 9:40 ` Peter Zijlstra
2008-01-30 13:40 ` Steven Rostedt
2008-01-30 3:15 ` [PATCH 20/22 -v7] Add markers to various events Steven Rostedt
2008-01-30 3:15 ` [PATCH 21/22 -v7] Add event tracer Steven Rostedt
2008-01-30 3:15 ` [PATCH 22/22 -v7] Critical latency timings histogram Steven Rostedt
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