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From: Christoph Lameter <clameter@sgi.com>
To: Andrea Arcangeli <andrea@qumranet.com>
Cc: Robin Holt <holt@sgi.com>, Avi Kivity <avi@qumranet.com>,
	Izik Eidus <izike@qumranet.com>, Nick Piggin <npiggin@suse.de>,
	kvm-devel@lists.sourceforge.net,
	Benjamin Herrenschmidt <benh@kernel.crashing.org>,
	Peter Zijlstra <a.p.zijlstra@chello.nl>,
	steiner@sgi.com, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-mm@kvack.org, daniel.blueman@quadrics.com,
	Hugh Dickins <hugh@veritas.com>
Subject: Re: [patch 2/6] mmu_notifier: Callbacks to invalidate address ranges
Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2008 13:53:05 -0800 (PST)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0801291343530.26824@schroedinger.engr.sgi.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20080129213604.GW7233@v2.random>

On Tue, 29 Jan 2008, Andrea Arcangeli wrote:

> > We invalidate the range *after* populating it? Isnt it okay to establish 
> > references while populate_range() runs?
> 
> It's not ok because that function can very well overwrite existing and
> present ptes (it's actually the nonlinear common case fast path for
> db). With your code the sptes created between invalidate_range and
> populate_range, will keep pointing forever to the old physical page
> instead of the newly populated one.

Seems though that the mmap_sem is taken for regular vmas writably and will 
hold off new mappings.

> I'm also asking myself if it's a smp race not to call
> mmu_notifier(invalidate_page) between ptep_clear_flush and set_pte_at
> in install_file_pte. Probably not because the guest VM running in a
> different thread would need to serialize outside the install_file_pte
> code with the task running install_file_pte, if it wants to be sure to
> write either all its data to the old or the new page. Certainly doing
> the invalidate_page inside the PT lock was obviously safe but I hope
> this is safe and this can accommodate your needs too.

But that would be doing two invalidates on one pte. One range and one page 
invalidate.

> > > diff --git a/mm/memory.c b/mm/memory.c
> > > --- a/mm/memory.c
> > > +++ b/mm/memory.c
> > > @@ -1639,8 +1639,6 @@ gotten:
> > >  	/*
> > >  	 * Re-check the pte - we dropped the lock
> > >  	 */
> > > -	mmu_notifier(invalidate_range, mm, address,
> > > -				address + PAGE_SIZE - 1, 0);
> > >  	page_table = pte_offset_map_lock(mm, pmd, address, &ptl);
> > >  	if (likely(pte_same(*page_table, orig_pte))) {
> > >  		if (old_page) {
> > 
> > What we did is to invalidate the page (?!) before taking the pte lock. In 
> > the lock we replace the pte to point to another page. This means that we 
> > need to clear stale information. So we zap it before. If another reference 
> > is established after taking the spinlock then the pte contents have 
> > changed at the cirtical section fails.
> > 
> > Before the critical section starts we have gotten an extra refcount on the 
> > original page so the page cannot vanish from under us.
> 
> The problem is the missing invalidate_page/range _after_
> ptep_clear_flush. If a spte is built between invalidate_range and
> pte_offset_map_lock, it will remain pointing to the old page
> forever. Nothing will be called to invalidate that stale spte built
> between invalidate_page/range and ptep_clear_flush. This is why for
> the last few days I kept saying the mmu notifiers have to be invoked
> _after_ ptep_clear_flush and never before (remember the export
> notifier?). No idea how you can deal with this in your code, certainly
> for KVM sptes that's backwards and unworkable ordering of operation
> (exactly as backwards are doing the tlb flush before pte_clear in
> ptep_clear_flush, think spte as a tlb, you can't flush the tlb before
> clearing/updating the pte or it's smp unsafe).

Hmmm... So we could only do an invalidate_page here? Drop the strange 
invalidate_range()?

> 
> > > @@ -1676,6 +1674,8 @@ gotten:
> > >  		page_cache_release(old_page);
> > >  unlock:
> > >  	pte_unmap_unlock(page_table, ptl);
> > > +	mmu_notifier(invalidate_range, mm, address,
> > > +				address + PAGE_SIZE - 1, 0);
> > >  	if (dirty_page) {
> > >  		if (vma->vm_file)
> > >  			file_update_time(vma->vm_file);
> > 
> > Now we invalidate the page after the transaction is complete. This means 
> > external pte can persist while we change the pte? Possibly even dirty the 
> > page?
> 
> Yes, and the only reason this can be safe is for the reason explained
> at the top of the email, if the other cpu wants to serialize to be
> sure to write in the "new" page, it has to serialize with the
> page-fault but to serialize it has to wait the page fault to return
> (example: we're not going to call futex code until the page fault
> returns).

Serialize how? mmap_sem?
 

  reply	other threads:[~2008-01-29 21:53 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 113+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2008-01-28 20:28 [patch 0/6] [RFC] MMU Notifiers V2 Christoph Lameter
2008-01-28 20:28 ` [patch 1/6] mmu_notifier: Core code Christoph Lameter
2008-01-28 22:06   ` Christoph Lameter
2008-01-29  0:05   ` Robin Holt
2008-01-29  1:19     ` Christoph Lameter
2008-01-29 13:59   ` Andrea Arcangeli
2008-01-29 14:34     ` Andrea Arcangeli
2008-01-29 19:49     ` Christoph Lameter
2008-01-29 20:41       ` Avi Kivity
2008-01-29 16:07   ` Robin Holt
2008-02-05 18:05   ` Andy Whitcroft
2008-02-05 18:17     ` Peter Zijlstra
2008-02-05 18:19     ` Christoph Lameter
2008-01-28 20:28 ` [patch 2/6] mmu_notifier: Callbacks to invalidate address ranges Christoph Lameter
2008-01-29 16:20   ` Andrea Arcangeli
2008-01-29 18:28     ` Andrea Arcangeli
2008-01-29 20:30       ` Christoph Lameter
2008-01-29 21:36         ` Andrea Arcangeli
2008-01-29 21:53           ` Christoph Lameter [this message]
2008-01-29 22:35             ` Andrea Arcangeli
2008-01-29 22:55               ` Christoph Lameter
2008-01-29 23:43                 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2008-01-30  0:34                   ` Christoph Lameter
2008-01-29 19:55     ` Christoph Lameter
2008-01-29 21:17       ` Andrea Arcangeli
2008-01-29 21:35         ` Christoph Lameter
2008-01-29 22:02           ` Andrea Arcangeli
2008-01-29 22:39             ` Christoph Lameter
2008-01-30  0:00               ` Andrea Arcangeli
2008-01-30  0:05                 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2008-01-30  0:22                   ` Christoph Lameter
2008-01-30  0:59                     ` Andrea Arcangeli
2008-01-30  8:26                       ` Peter Zijlstra
2008-01-30  0:20                 ` Christoph Lameter
2008-01-30  0:28                   ` Jack Steiner
2008-01-30  0:35                     ` Christoph Lameter
2008-01-30 13:37                     ` Andrea Arcangeli
2008-01-30 14:43                       ` Jack Steiner
2008-01-30 19:41                         ` Christoph Lameter
2008-01-30 20:29                           ` Jack Steiner
2008-01-30 20:55                             ` Christoph Lameter
2008-01-30 16:11                 ` Robin Holt
2008-01-30 17:04                   ` Andrea Arcangeli
2008-01-30 17:30                     ` Robin Holt
2008-01-30 18:25                       ` Andrea Arcangeli
2008-01-30 19:50                         ` Christoph Lameter
2008-01-30 22:18                           ` Robin Holt
2008-01-30 23:52                           ` Andrea Arcangeli
2008-01-31  0:01                             ` Christoph Lameter
2008-01-31  0:34                               ` [kvm-devel] " Andrea Arcangeli
2008-01-31  1:46                                 ` Christoph Lameter
2008-01-31  2:34                                   ` Robin Holt
2008-01-31  2:37                                     ` Christoph Lameter
2008-01-31  2:56                                     ` [kvm-devel] mmu_notifier: invalidate_range_start with lock=1 Christoph Lameter
2008-01-31 10:52                                   ` [kvm-devel] [patch 2/6] mmu_notifier: Callbacks to invalidate address ranges Andrea Arcangeli
2008-01-31  2:08                                 ` Christoph Lameter
2008-01-31  2:42                                   ` Andrea Arcangeli
2008-01-31  2:51                                     ` Christoph Lameter
2008-01-31 13:39                                       ` Andrea Arcangeli
2008-01-30 19:35                   ` Christoph Lameter
2008-01-28 20:28 ` [patch 3/6] mmu_notifier: invalidate_page callbacks for subsystems with rmap Christoph Lameter
2008-01-29 16:28   ` Robin Holt
2008-01-28 20:28 ` [patch 4/6] MMU notifier: invalidate_page callbacks using Linux rmaps Christoph Lameter
2008-01-29 14:03   ` Andrea Arcangeli
2008-01-29 14:24     ` Andrea Arcangeli
2008-01-29 19:51       ` Christoph Lameter
2008-01-28 20:28 ` [patch 5/6] mmu_notifier: Callbacks for xip_filemap.c Christoph Lameter
2008-01-28 20:28 ` [patch 6/6] mmu_notifier: Add invalidate_all() Christoph Lameter
2008-01-29 16:31   ` Robin Holt
2008-01-29 20:02     ` Christoph Lameter
2008-01-30  2:29 [patch 0/6] [RFC] MMU Notifiers V3 Christoph Lameter
2008-01-30  2:29 ` [patch 2/6] mmu_notifier: Callbacks to invalidate address ranges Christoph Lameter
2008-02-08 22:06 [patch 0/6] MMU Notifiers V6 Christoph Lameter
2008-02-08 22:06 ` [patch 2/6] mmu_notifier: Callbacks to invalidate address ranges Christoph Lameter
2008-02-15  6:48 [patch 0/6] MMU Notifiers V7 Christoph Lameter
2008-02-15  6:49 ` [patch 2/6] mmu_notifier: Callbacks to invalidate address ranges Christoph Lameter
2008-02-16  3:37   ` Andrew Morton
2008-02-16 19:26     ` Christoph Lameter
2008-02-19  8:54   ` Nick Piggin
2008-02-19 13:34     ` Andrea Arcangeli
2008-02-27 22:23       ` Christoph Lameter
2008-02-27 23:57         ` Andrea Arcangeli
2008-02-19 23:08   ` Nick Piggin
2008-02-20  1:00     ` Andrea Arcangeli
2008-02-20  3:00       ` Robin Holt
2008-02-20  3:11         ` Nick Piggin
2008-02-20  3:19           ` Robin Holt
2008-02-27 22:39       ` Christoph Lameter
2008-02-28  0:38         ` Andrea Arcangeli
2008-02-27 22:35     ` Christoph Lameter
2008-02-27 22:42       ` Jack Steiner
2008-02-28  0:10       ` Christoph Lameter
2008-02-28  0:11       ` Andrea Arcangeli
2008-02-28  0:14         ` Christoph Lameter
2008-02-28  0:52           ` Andrea Arcangeli
2008-02-28  1:03             ` Christoph Lameter
2008-02-28  1:10               ` Andrea Arcangeli
2008-02-28 18:43                 ` Christoph Lameter
2008-02-29  0:55                   ` Andrea Arcangeli
2008-02-29  0:59                     ` Christoph Lameter
2008-02-29 13:13                       ` Andrea Arcangeli
2008-02-29 19:55                         ` Christoph Lameter
2008-02-29 20:17                           ` Andrea Arcangeli
2008-02-29 21:03                             ` Christoph Lameter
2008-02-29 21:23                               ` Andrea Arcangeli
2008-02-29 21:29                                 ` Christoph Lameter
2008-02-29 21:34                                 ` Christoph Lameter
2008-02-29 21:48                                   ` Andrea Arcangeli
2008-02-29 22:12                                     ` Christoph Lameter
2008-02-29 22:41                                       ` Andrea Arcangeli
2008-02-28 10:53             ` Robin Holt
2008-03-03  5:11       ` Nick Piggin
2008-03-03 19:28         ` Christoph Lameter
2008-03-03 19:50           ` Nick Piggin
2008-03-04 18:58             ` Christoph Lameter
2008-03-05  0:52               ` Nick Piggin

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