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From: Christoph Lameter <clameter@sgi.com>
To: Nick Piggin <nickpiggin@yahoo.com.au>
Cc: akpm@linux-foundation.org, Andrea Arcangeli <andrea@qumranet.com>,
	Robin Holt <holt@sgi.com>, Avi Kivity <avi@qumranet.com>,
	Izik Eidus <izike@qumranet.com>,
	kvm-devel@lists.sourceforge.net,
	Peter Zijlstra <a.p.zijlstra@chello.nl>,
	general@lists.openfabrics.org,
	Steve Wise <swise@opengridcomputing.com>,
	Roland Dreier <rdreier@cisco.com>,
	Kanoj Sarcar <kanojsarcar@yahoo.com>,
	steiner@sgi.com, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-mm@kvack.org, daniel.blueman@quadrics.com
Subject: Re: [patch 2/6] mmu_notifier: Callbacks to invalidate address ranges
Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2008 11:28:21 -0800 (PST)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0803031124001.7275@schroedinger.engr.sgi.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <200803031611.10275.nickpiggin@yahoo.com.au>

On Mon, 3 Mar 2008, Nick Piggin wrote:

> Your skeleton is just registering notifiers and saying
> 
> /* you fill the hard part in */
> 
> If somebody needs a skeleton in order just to register the notifiers,
> then almost by definition they are unqualified to write the hard
> part ;)

Its also providing a locking scheme.

> OK, there are ways to solve it or hack around it. But this is exactly
> why I think the implementations should be kept seperate. Andrea's
> notifiers are coherent, work on all types of mappings, and will
> hopefully match closely the regular TLB invalidation sequence in the
> Linux VM (at the moment it is quite close, but I hope to make it a
> bit closer) so that it requires almost no changes to the mm.

Then put it into the arch code for TLB invalidation. Paravirt ops gives 
good examples on how to do that.

> What about a completely different approach... XPmem runs over NUMAlink,
> right? Why not provide some non-sleeping way to basically IPI remote
> nodes over the NUMAlink where they can process the invalidation? If you
> intra-node cache coherency has to run over this link anyway, then
> presumably it is capable.

There is another Linux instance at the remote end that first has to 
remove its own ptes. Also would not work for Inifiniband and other 
solutions. All the approaches that require evictions in an atomic context 
are limiting the approach and do not allow the generic functionality that 
we want in order to not add alternate APIs for this.

> Or another idea, why don't you LD_PRELOAD in the MPT library to also
> intercept munmap, mprotect, mremap etc as well as just fork()? That
> would give you similarly "good enough" coherency as the mmu notifier
> patches except that you can't swap (which Robin said was not a big
> problem).

The good enough solution right now is to pin pages by elevating 
refcounts.


  reply	other threads:[~2008-03-03 19:28 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 129+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2008-02-15  6:48 [patch 0/6] MMU Notifiers V7 Christoph Lameter
2008-02-15  6:49 ` [patch 1/6] mmu_notifier: Core code Christoph Lameter
2008-02-16  3:37   ` Andrew Morton
2008-02-16  8:45     ` Avi Kivity
2008-02-16  8:56       ` Andrew Morton
2008-02-16  9:21         ` Avi Kivity
2008-02-16 10:41     ` Brice Goglin
2008-02-16 10:58       ` Andrew Morton
2008-02-16 19:31         ` Christoph Lameter
2008-02-16 19:21     ` Christoph Lameter
2008-02-17  3:01       ` Andrea Arcangeli
2008-02-17 12:24         ` Robin Holt
2008-02-17  5:04     ` Doug Maxey
2008-02-18 22:33   ` Roland Dreier
2008-02-15  6:49 ` [patch 2/6] mmu_notifier: Callbacks to invalidate address ranges Christoph Lameter
2008-02-16  3:37   ` Andrew Morton
2008-02-16 19:26     ` Christoph Lameter
2008-02-19  8:54   ` Nick Piggin
2008-02-19 13:34     ` Andrea Arcangeli
2008-02-27 22:23       ` Christoph Lameter
2008-02-27 23:57         ` Andrea Arcangeli
2008-02-19 23:08   ` Nick Piggin
2008-02-20  1:00     ` Andrea Arcangeli
2008-02-20  3:00       ` Robin Holt
2008-02-20  3:11         ` Nick Piggin
2008-02-20  3:19           ` Robin Holt
2008-02-27 22:39       ` Christoph Lameter
2008-02-28  0:38         ` Andrea Arcangeli
2008-02-27 22:35     ` Christoph Lameter
2008-02-27 22:42       ` Jack Steiner
2008-02-28  0:10       ` Christoph Lameter
2008-02-28  0:11       ` Andrea Arcangeli
2008-02-28  0:14         ` Christoph Lameter
2008-02-28  0:52           ` Andrea Arcangeli
2008-02-28  1:03             ` Christoph Lameter
2008-02-28  1:10               ` Andrea Arcangeli
2008-02-28 18:43                 ` Christoph Lameter
2008-02-29  0:55                   ` Andrea Arcangeli
2008-02-29  0:59                     ` Christoph Lameter
2008-02-29 13:13                       ` Andrea Arcangeli
2008-02-29 19:55                         ` Christoph Lameter
2008-02-29 20:17                           ` Andrea Arcangeli
2008-02-29 21:03                             ` Christoph Lameter
2008-02-29 21:23                               ` Andrea Arcangeli
2008-02-29 21:29                                 ` Christoph Lameter
2008-02-29 21:34                                 ` Christoph Lameter
2008-02-29 21:48                                   ` Andrea Arcangeli
2008-02-29 22:12                                     ` Christoph Lameter
2008-02-29 22:41                                       ` Andrea Arcangeli
2008-02-28 10:53             ` Robin Holt
2008-03-03  5:11       ` Nick Piggin
2008-03-03 19:28         ` Christoph Lameter [this message]
2008-03-03 19:50           ` Nick Piggin
2008-03-04 18:58             ` Christoph Lameter
2008-03-05  0:52               ` Nick Piggin
2008-02-15  6:49 ` [patch 3/6] mmu_notifier: invalidate_page callbacks Christoph Lameter
2008-02-16  3:37   ` Andrew Morton
2008-02-16 11:07     ` Andrea Arcangeli
2008-02-16 19:22     ` Christoph Lameter
2008-02-16 19:54       ` Avi Kivity
2008-02-19  8:46       ` Nick Piggin
2008-02-19 13:30         ` Andrea Arcangeli
2008-02-18  1:51     ` Nick Piggin
2008-02-15  6:49 ` [patch 4/6] mmu_notifier: Skeleton driver for a simple mmu_notifier Christoph Lameter
2008-02-15  6:49 ` [patch 5/6] mmu_notifier: Support for drivers with revers maps (f.e. for XPmem) Christoph Lameter
2008-02-16  3:37   ` Andrew Morton
2008-02-16 19:28     ` Christoph Lameter
2008-02-19 23:55   ` Nick Piggin
2008-02-20  3:12     ` Robin Holt
2008-02-20  3:51       ` Nick Piggin
2008-02-20  9:00         ` Robin Holt
2008-02-20  9:05           ` Robin Holt
2008-02-21  4:20           ` Nick Piggin
2008-02-21 10:58             ` Robin Holt
2008-02-26  6:11               ` Nick Piggin
2008-02-26  7:21                 ` [ofa-general] " Gleb Natapov
2008-02-26  8:52                   ` Nick Piggin
2008-02-26  9:38                     ` Gleb Natapov
2008-02-26  9:52                       ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2008-02-26 12:28                     ` Robin Holt
2008-02-26 12:29                 ` Robin Holt
2008-02-27 22:43     ` Christoph Lameter
2008-02-28  0:42       ` Andrea Arcangeli
2008-02-28  1:01         ` Christoph Lameter
2008-02-15  6:49 ` [patch 6/6] mmu_rmap_notifier: Skeleton for complex driver that uses its own rmaps Christoph Lameter
2008-02-16 10:48 ` [PATCH] KVM swapping with MMU Notifiers V7 Andrea Arcangeli
2008-02-16 11:08   ` Andrew Morton
2008-02-18 12:17     ` Andrea Arcangeli
2008-02-16 11:51   ` Robin Holt
2008-02-18 12:35     ` Andrea Arcangeli
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2008-02-08 22:06 [patch 0/6] MMU Notifiers V6 Christoph Lameter
2008-02-08 22:06 ` [patch 2/6] mmu_notifier: Callbacks to invalidate address ranges Christoph Lameter
2008-01-30  2:29 [patch 0/6] [RFC] MMU Notifiers V3 Christoph Lameter
2008-01-30  2:29 ` [patch 2/6] mmu_notifier: Callbacks to invalidate address ranges Christoph Lameter
2008-01-28 20:28 [patch 0/6] [RFC] MMU Notifiers V2 Christoph Lameter
2008-01-28 20:28 ` [patch 2/6] mmu_notifier: Callbacks to invalidate address ranges Christoph Lameter
2008-01-29 16:20   ` Andrea Arcangeli
2008-01-29 18:28     ` Andrea Arcangeli
2008-01-29 20:30       ` Christoph Lameter
2008-01-29 21:36         ` Andrea Arcangeli
2008-01-29 21:53           ` Christoph Lameter
2008-01-29 22:35             ` Andrea Arcangeli
2008-01-29 22:55               ` Christoph Lameter
2008-01-29 23:43                 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2008-01-30  0:34                   ` Christoph Lameter
2008-01-29 19:55     ` Christoph Lameter
2008-01-29 21:17       ` Andrea Arcangeli
2008-01-29 21:35         ` Christoph Lameter
2008-01-29 22:02           ` Andrea Arcangeli
2008-01-29 22:39             ` Christoph Lameter
2008-01-30  0:00               ` Andrea Arcangeli
2008-01-30  0:05                 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2008-01-30  0:22                   ` Christoph Lameter
2008-01-30  0:59                     ` Andrea Arcangeli
2008-01-30  8:26                       ` Peter Zijlstra
2008-01-30  0:20                 ` Christoph Lameter
2008-01-30  0:28                   ` Jack Steiner
2008-01-30  0:35                     ` Christoph Lameter
2008-01-30 13:37                     ` Andrea Arcangeli
2008-01-30 14:43                       ` Jack Steiner
2008-01-30 19:41                         ` Christoph Lameter
2008-01-30 20:29                           ` Jack Steiner
2008-01-30 20:55                             ` Christoph Lameter
2008-01-30 16:11                 ` Robin Holt
2008-01-30 17:04                   ` Andrea Arcangeli
2008-01-30 17:30                     ` Robin Holt
2008-01-30 18:25                       ` Andrea Arcangeli
2008-01-30 19:50                         ` Christoph Lameter
2008-01-30 22:18                           ` Robin Holt
2008-01-30 23:52                           ` Andrea Arcangeli
2008-01-31  0:01                             ` Christoph Lameter
2008-01-30 19:35                   ` Christoph Lameter

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