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From: Bjorn Andersson <bjorn.andersson@linaro.org>
To: Rajendra Nayak <rnayak@codeaurora.org>
Cc: Stephen Boyd <swboyd@chromium.org>,
	ulf.hansson@linaro.org, viresh.kumar@linaro.org,
	linux-pm@vger.kernel.org, devicetree@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-arm-msm@vger.kernel.org,
	rojay@codeaurora.org, stephan@gerhold.net
Subject: Re: [PATCH v4 2/2] arm64: dts: sc7180: Add required-opps for i2c
Date: Sun, 25 Jul 2021 12:01:30 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <YP2Y6qs5P5mb2jzE@yoga> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <bc79ea3e-4981-8f9b-f9a7-59cb972047a7@codeaurora.org>

On Mon 19 Jul 23:29 CDT 2021, Rajendra Nayak wrote:

> 
> 
> On 7/20/2021 12:49 AM, Bjorn Andersson wrote:
> > On Mon 19 Jul 04:37 CDT 2021, Rajendra Nayak wrote:
> > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > On 7/17/2021 3:29 AM, Bjorn Andersson wrote:
> > > > On Fri 16 Jul 16:49 CDT 2021, Stephen Boyd wrote:
> > > > 
> > > > > Quoting Bjorn Andersson (2021-07-16 13:52:12)
> > > > > > On Fri 16 Jul 15:21 CDT 2021, Stephen Boyd wrote:
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > > Quoting Bjorn Andersson (2021-07-16 13:18:56)
> > > > > > > > On Fri 16 Jul 05:00 CDT 2021, Rajendra Nayak wrote:
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > qup-i2c devices on sc7180 are clocked with a fixed clock (19.2 MHz)
> > > > > > > > > Though qup-i2c does not support DVFS, it still needs to vote for a
> > > > > > > > > performance state on 'CX' to satisfy the 19.2 Mhz clock frequency
> > > > > > > > > requirement.
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > Sounds good, but...
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > Use 'required-opps' to pass this information from
> > > > > > > > > device tree, and also add the power-domains property to specify
> > > > > > > > > the CX power-domain.
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > ..is the required-opps really needed with my rpmhpd patch in place?
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > Yes? Because rpmhpd_opp_low_svs is not the lowest performance state for
> > > > > > > CX.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > On e.g. sm8250 the first available non-zero corner presented in cmd-db
> > > > > > is low_svs.
> > > 
> > > what rail is this? the mmcx? Perhaps it does not support RET.
> > > cx usually supports both collapse state and RET.
> > > 
> > 
> > That was the one I was specifically looking at for the MDSS_GDSC->MMCX
> > issue, so it's likely I didn't look elsewhere.
> > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > Indeed. On sc7180 it's not the first non-zero corner. I suppose
> > > > > retention for CX isn't actually used when the SoC is awake so your
> > > > > rpmhpd patch is putting in a vote for something that doesn't do anything
> > > > > at runtime for CX? I imagine that rpmh only sets the aggregate corner to
> > > > > retention when the whole SoC is suspended/sleeping, otherwise things
> > > > > wouldn't go very well. Similarly, min_svs may be VDD minimization? If
> > > > > so, those first two states are basically states that shouldn't be used
> > > > > at runtime, almost like sleep states.
> > > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > But if that's the case, I don't think it's appropriate for the "enabled
> > > > state" of the domain to use any of those corners.
> > > 
> > > I rechecked the downstream kernels where all this voting happens from within
> > > the clock drivers, and I do see votes to min_svs for some clocks, but Stephen is
> > > right that RET is not something that's voted on while in active state.
> > > 
> > > But always going with something just above the ret level while active will also
> > > not work for all devices, for instance for i2c on 7180, it needs a cx vote of
> > > low svs while the rail (cx) does support something lower than that which is min svs.
> > > (why can't it just work with min svs?, I don't know, these values and recommendations
> > > come in from the voltage plans published by HW teams for every SoC and we just end up
> > > using them in SW, perhaps something to dig further and understand which I will try and
> > > do but these are the values in voltage plans and downstream kernels which work for now)
> > > 
> > 
> > So to some degree this invalidates my argumentation about the
> > enabled_corner in rpmhpd, given that "enabled" means a different corner
> > for each rail - not just the one with lowest non-zero value.
> 
> Right, it might work in some cases but might not work for all.
> 

Which makes it way less desirable.

The enable state for rpmhpd power domains doesn't meet my expectations
for how a power domain should behave, but we should at least be
consistent across all consumers of it then...


But the original issue remains, that when a device is powered by
MDSS_GDSC, which is a subdomain of MMCX we still need to ensure that
"on" for MMCX is actually "on" - which just happens to be the first
non-0 corner.

But I presume we will end up having to do the same with &gcc's GDSCs,
which are subdomains of CX and MX where this isn't true.

> > 
> > So perhaps instead of introducing the enabled_corner we need to
> > introduce your patch and slap a WARN_ON(corner == 0) in
> > rpmhpd_power_on() - to ensure that all clients that uses a rpmhpd domain
> > actually do vote for a high enough corner?
> 
> So this would mean the expectation is that the clients set the perf state/corner
> before they call power_on? I don;t think that's the case today with most clients,
> infact its the opposite, we power on first and then make a call to set the perf
> state of the domain.
> 

You're right, it's pretty much always the opposite, given that genpd
will always enable the domain during attach.

Regards,
Bjorn

> > 
> > Regards,
> > Bjorn
> > 
> > > > 
> > > > As this means that anyone who needs any of the rpmhpd domains active
> > > > also needs to specify required-opps, which wouldn't be needed for any
> > > > other power domain provider.
> > > > 
> > > > And more importantly it means that a device sitting in a GDSC, which
> > > > would be parented by a rpmhpd domain has no way to specify the GDSC and
> > > > trickle the minimum-vote up to the rpmhpd domain. (And I know that we
> > > > don't describe the parentship of the GDSCs today, but this patch
> > > > tells me that it's around the corner - for more than MMCX)
> > > > 
> > > > Regards,
> > > > Bjorn
> > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > And if this (which?) clock requires a higher corner than the lowest
> > > > > > possible in order to tick at this "lowest" frequency, I'm certainly
> > > > > > interested in some more details.
> > > > > > 
> > > 
> > > -- 
> > > QUALCOMM INDIA, on behalf of Qualcomm Innovation Center, Inc. is a member
> > > of Code Aurora Forum, hosted by The Linux Foundation
> 
> -- 
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  reply	other threads:[~2021-07-25 17:02 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 19+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2021-07-16 10:00 [PATCH v4 0/2] PM / Domains: Add support for 'required-opps' to set default perf state Rajendra Nayak
2021-07-16 10:00 ` [PATCH v4 1/2] " Rajendra Nayak
2021-07-16 20:19   ` Stephen Boyd
2021-07-19 11:50     ` Rajendra Nayak
2021-07-16 10:00 ` [PATCH v4 2/2] arm64: dts: sc7180: Add required-opps for i2c Rajendra Nayak
2021-07-16 19:39   ` Stephen Boyd
2021-07-16 20:18   ` Bjorn Andersson
2021-07-16 20:21     ` Stephen Boyd
2021-07-16 20:52       ` Bjorn Andersson
2021-07-16 21:49         ` Stephen Boyd
2021-07-16 21:59           ` Bjorn Andersson
2021-07-19  9:37             ` Rajendra Nayak
2021-07-19 19:19               ` Bjorn Andersson
2021-07-20  4:29                 ` Rajendra Nayak
2021-07-25 17:01                   ` Bjorn Andersson [this message]
2021-07-27  7:35                     ` Rajendra Nayak
2021-07-28  3:46                       ` Bjorn Andersson
2021-07-28 14:01                         ` Dmitry Baryshkov
2021-07-28 18:47                           ` Bjorn Andersson

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