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From: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
To: Josh Don <joshdon@google.com>
Cc: Vincent Guittot <vincent.guittot@linaro.org>,
Ingo Molnar <mingo@redhat.com>,
Juri Lelli <juri.lelli@redhat.com>,
Dietmar Eggemann <dietmar.eggemann@arm.com>,
Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org>,
Ben Segall <bsegall@google.com>, Mel Gorman <mgorman@suse.de>,
Daniel Bristot de Oliveira <bristot@redhat.com>,
Paul Turner <pjt@google.com>, Oleg Rombakh <olegrom@google.com>,
Viresh Kumar <viresh.kumar@linaro.org>,
Steve Sistare <steven.sistare@oracle.com>,
Tejun Heo <tj@kernel.org>, Rik van Riel <riel@surriel.com>,
linux-kernel <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 2/2] sched: adjust SCHED_IDLE interactions
Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2021 14:31:57 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <YRpavaMk09iw0fkE@hirez.programming.kicks-ass.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CABk29Ns8P9AGy7Tpo6duOeEh=ZFWM1jO8FnvhZhktfcA0GWOpw@mail.gmail.com>
On Thu, Aug 12, 2021 at 02:09:15PM -0700, Josh Don wrote:
> > > @@ -697,8 +699,18 @@ static u64 sched_slice(struct cfs_rq *cfs_rq, struct sched_entity *se)
> > > slice = __calc_delta(slice, se->load.weight, load);
> > > }
> > >
> > > - if (sched_feat(BASE_SLICE))
> > > - slice = max(slice, (u64)w);
> > > + if (sched_feat(BASE_SLICE)) {
> > > + /*
> > > + * SCHED_IDLE entities are not subject to min_granularity if
> > > + * they are competing with non SCHED_IDLE entities. As a result,
> > > + * non SCHED_IDLE entities will have reduced latency to get back
> > > + * on cpu, at the cost of increased context switch frequency of
> > > + * SCHED_IDLE entities.
> > > + */
> >
> > Ensuring that the entity will have a minimum runtime has been added to
> > ensure that we let enough time to move forward.
> > If you exclude sched_idle entities from this min runtime, the
> > sched_slice of an idle_entity will be really small.
> > I don't have details of your example above but I can imagine that it's
> > a 16 cpus system which means a sysctl_sched_min_granularity=3.75ms
> > which explains the 4ms running time of an idle entity
> > For a 16 cpus system, the sched_slice of an idle_entity in your
> > example in the cover letter is: 6*(1+log2(16))*3/1027=87us. Of course
> > this become even worse with more threads and cgroups or thread with
> > ncie prio -19
> >
> > This value is then used to set the next hrtimer event in SCHED_HRTICK
> > and 87us is too small to make any progress
> >
> > The 1ms of your test comes from the tick which could be a good
> > candidate for a min value or the
> > normalized_sysctl_sched_min_granularity which has the advantage of not
> > increasing with number of CPU
>
> Fair point, this shouldn't completely ignore min granularity. Something like
>
> unsigned int sysctl_sched_idle_min_granularity = NSEC_PER_MSEC;
>
> (and still only using this value instead of the default
> min_granularity when the SCHED_IDLE entity is competing with normal
> entities)
TICK_NSEC ?
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2021-08-16 12:32 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 20+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2021-07-30 2:00 [PATCH v2 0/2] SCHED_IDLE extensions Josh Don
2021-07-30 2:00 ` [PATCH v2 1/2] sched: cgroup SCHED_IDLE support Josh Don
2021-08-03 2:14 ` jun qian
2021-08-03 20:37 ` Josh Don
2021-08-05 10:18 ` Peter Zijlstra
2021-08-05 17:13 ` Tejun Heo
2021-08-05 23:54 ` Josh Don
2021-08-11 13:48 ` Vincent Guittot
2021-08-23 9:26 ` [tip: sched/core] sched: Cgroup " tip-bot2 for Josh Don
2021-07-30 2:00 ` [PATCH 2/2] sched: adjust SCHED_IDLE interactions Josh Don
2021-08-11 13:31 ` Vincent Guittot
2021-08-12 21:09 ` Josh Don
2021-08-13 12:43 ` Vincent Guittot
2021-08-13 23:55 ` Josh Don
2021-08-16 12:31 ` Peter Zijlstra [this message]
2021-08-17 23:48 ` Josh Don
2021-08-16 12:52 ` Peter Zijlstra
2021-08-16 12:56 ` Vincent Guittot
2021-08-17 23:40 ` Josh Don
2021-08-16 12:31 ` Peter Zijlstra
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