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From: Mikulas Patocka <mpatocka@redhat.com>
To: Michal Hocko <mhocko@kernel.org>
Cc: Matthew Wilcox <willy@infradead.org>,
	David Miller <davem@davemloft.net>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	linux-mm@kvack.org, eric.dumazet@gmail.com, edumazet@google.com,
	bhutchings@solarflare.com, netdev@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, mst@redhat.com,
	jasowang@redhat.com, virtualization@lists.linux-foundation.org,
	dm-devel@redhat.com, Vlastimil Babka <vbabka@suse.cz>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] kvmalloc: always use vmalloc if CONFIG_DEBUG_VM
Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2018 10:24:02 -0400 (EDT)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <alpine.LRH.2.02.1804231006440.22488@file01.intranet.prod.int.rdu2.redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20180422130356.GG17484@dhcp22.suse.cz>



On Sun, 22 Apr 2018, Michal Hocko wrote:

> On Sat 21-04-18 07:47:57, Matthew Wilcox wrote:
> 
> > > He didn't want to fix vmalloc(GFP_NOIO)
> > 
> > I don't remember that conversation, so I don't know whether I agree with
> > his reasoning or not.  But we are supposed to be moving away from GFP_NOIO
> > towards marking regions with memalloc_noio_save() / restore.  If you do
> > that, you won't need vmalloc(GFP_NOIO).
> 
> It was basically to detect GFP_NOIO context _inside_ vmalloc and use the
> scope API to enforce it there. Does it solve potential problems? Yes it
> does. Does it solve any existing report, no I am not aware of any. Is
> it a good fix longterm? Absolutely no, because the scope API should be
> used _at the place_ where the scope starts rather than a random utility
> function. If we are going the easier way now, we will never teach users
> to use the API properly. And I am willing to risk to keep a broken
> code which we have for years rather than allow a random hack that will
> seemingly fix it.
> 
> Btw. I was pretty much explicit with this reasoning when rejecting the
> patch. Do you still call that evil?

You are making nonsensical excuses.

That patch doesn't prevent you from refactoring the kernel and eliminating 
GFP_NOIO in the long term. You can apply the patch and then continue 
working on GFP_NOIO refactoring as well as before.

> > > he didn't want to fix alloc_pages sleeping when __GFP_NORETRY is used.
> > 
> > The GFP flags are a mess, still.
> 
> I do not remember that one but __GFP_NORETRY is _allowed_ to sleep. And
> yes I do _agree_ gfp flags are a mess which is really hard to get fixed
> because they are lacking a good design from the very beginning. Fixing
> some of those issues today is a completely PITA.

It may sleep, but if it sleeps regularly, it slows down swapping (because 
the swapping code does mempool_alloc and mempool_alloc does __GFP_NORETRY 
allocation). And there were two INTENTIONAL sleeps with schedule_timeout. 
You removed one and left the other, claiming that __GFP_NORETRY allocation 
should sleep.

> > > I already said that we can change it from CONFIG_DEBUG_VM to 
> > > CONFIG_DEBUG_SG - or to whatever other option you may want, just to make 
> > > sure that it is enabled in distro debug kernels by default.
> > 
> > Yes, and I think that's the right idea.  So send a v2 and ignore the
> > replies that are clearly relating to an earlier version of the patch.
> > Not everybody reads every mail in the thread before responding to one they
> > find interesting.  Yes, ideally, one would, but sometimes one doesn't.
> 
> And look here. This is yet another ad-hoc idea. We have many users of
> kvmalloc which have no relation to SG, yet you are going to control
> their behavior by CONFIG_DEBUG_SG? No way! (yeah evil again)

Why aren't you constructive and pick up pick up the CONFIG flag?

> Really, we have a fault injection framework and this sounds like
> something to hook in there.

The testing people won't set it up. They install the "kernel-debug" 
package and run the tests in it.

If you introduce a hidden option that no one knows about, no one will use 
it.

> -- 
> Michal Hocko
> SUSE Labs

Mikulas

  reply	other threads:[~2018-04-23 14:24 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 110+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2018-04-18 14:34 [PATCH] net: don't use kvzalloc for DMA memory Mikulas Patocka
2018-04-18 16:05 ` Eric Dumazet
2018-04-18 16:44   ` Mikulas Patocka
2018-04-18 16:51     ` Eric Dumazet
2018-04-18 17:47       ` David Miller
2018-04-18 17:55         ` Mikulas Patocka
2018-04-18 18:00         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2018-04-18 17:49       ` Mikulas Patocka
2018-04-18 17:46     ` David Miller
2018-04-18 17:53       ` Mikulas Patocka
2018-04-19 16:12         ` [PATCH] kvmalloc: always use vmalloc if CONFIG_DEBUG_VM Mikulas Patocka
2018-04-19 16:25           ` Eric Dumazet
2018-04-19 16:28             ` Mikulas Patocka
2018-04-19 16:43           ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2018-04-19 21:27             ` [PATCH] kvmalloc: always use vmalloc if CONFIG_DEBUG_SG Mikulas Patocka
2018-04-19 18:28           ` [PATCH] kvmalloc: always use vmalloc if CONFIG_DEBUG_VM Vlastimil Babka
2018-04-19 19:47           ` Andrew Morton
2018-04-19 21:19             ` Mikulas Patocka
2018-04-19 23:22               ` Andrew Morton
2018-04-20 12:16                 ` Mikulas Patocka
2018-04-20 11:47           ` Matthew Wilcox
2018-04-20 12:20             ` Mikulas Patocka
2018-04-23 15:25               ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2018-04-20 13:08           ` Michal Hocko
2018-04-20 13:41             ` Matthew Wilcox
2018-04-20 13:49               ` Michal Hocko
2018-04-20 20:56                 ` Mikulas Patocka
2018-04-20 20:54             ` Mikulas Patocka
2018-04-20 21:02               ` Matthew Wilcox
2018-04-20 21:21                 ` Mikulas Patocka
2018-04-21 14:47                   ` Matthew Wilcox
2018-04-22 13:03                     ` Michal Hocko
2018-04-23 14:24                       ` Mikulas Patocka [this message]
2018-04-23 15:10                         ` Michal Hocko
2018-04-23 23:20                           ` Mikulas Patocka
2018-04-23 14:06                     ` Mikulas Patocka
2018-04-23 15:15                       ` Michal Hocko
2018-04-24  0:06                         ` [PATCH v3] kvmalloc: always use vmalloc if CONFIG_DEBUG_SG Mikulas Patocka
2018-04-24  2:47                           ` David Rientjes
2018-04-24 11:04                             ` Mikulas Patocka
2018-04-24  3:46                           ` Matthew Wilcox
2018-04-24 12:29                             ` Mikulas Patocka
2018-04-24 17:16                               ` Matthew Wilcox
2018-04-24 18:41                                 ` Mikulas Patocka
2018-05-15  1:13                                   ` Joonsoo Kim
2018-04-24 12:51                           ` Michal Hocko
2018-04-24 15:50                             ` Mikulas Patocka
2018-04-24 16:29                               ` Michal Hocko
2018-04-24 17:00                                 ` Mikulas Patocka
2018-04-24 17:03                                   ` Michal Hocko
2018-04-24 17:28                                     ` Mikulas Patocka
2018-04-24 17:38                                       ` Michal Hocko
2018-04-25 20:02                                         ` [PATCH] fault-injection: reorder config entries Mikulas Patocka
2018-04-26  3:21                                           ` Randy Dunlap
2018-04-25 20:02                                         ` [PATCH v4] fault-injection: introduce kvmalloc fallback options Mikulas Patocka
2018-04-25 20:20                                           ` Randy Dunlap
2018-04-25 20:57                                             ` [PATCH v5] " Mikulas Patocka
2018-04-25 21:11                                               ` Randy Dunlap
2018-04-25 21:18                                               ` David Rientjes
2018-04-25 21:22                                                 ` Mikulas Patocka
2018-04-25 22:17                                                   ` [dm-devel] " James Bottomley
2018-04-25 22:42                                                     ` Mikulas Patocka
2018-04-25 22:49                                                       ` David Rientjes
2018-04-25 22:56                                                         ` Mikulas Patocka
2018-04-26 12:58                                                       ` Michal Hocko
2018-04-26 14:28                                                         ` Mikulas Patocka
2018-04-26 14:45                                                           ` James Bottomley
2018-04-26 15:05                                                             ` Mikulas Patocka
2018-04-26 15:24                                                               ` James Bottomley
2018-04-26 15:44                                                                 ` Mikulas Patocka
2018-04-26 15:59                                                                   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2018-04-26 16:07                                                                     ` Mikulas Patocka
2018-04-26 18:49                                                                       ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2018-04-26 18:54                                                                         ` Mikulas Patocka
2018-04-26 19:14                                                                           ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2018-04-26 19:36                                                                             ` Mikulas Patocka
2018-04-26 19:45                                                                               ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2018-04-26 20:05                                                                                 ` Mikulas Patocka
2018-04-26 18:58                                                                     ` Mikulas Patocka
2018-04-26 19:05                                                                       ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2018-04-26 15:55                                                                 ` Mikulas Patocka
2018-04-25 23:00                                                     ` Mikulas Patocka
2018-04-25 23:08                                                       ` James Bottomley
2018-04-26 14:55                                                         ` Mikulas Patocka
2018-04-26 15:22                                                           ` Mikulas Patocka
2018-04-26 18:58                                                         ` John Stoffel
2018-04-26 21:50                                                           ` Mikulas Patocka
2018-04-26 22:21                                                             ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2018-04-26 22:52                                                               ` Mikulas Patocka
2018-04-27  8:25                                                                 ` Michal Hocko
2018-04-27 10:20                                                                   ` Mikulas Patocka
2018-04-27 23:20                                                               ` Mikulas Patocka
2018-04-30 18:27                                                             ` John Stoffel
2018-04-30 21:07                                                               ` Mikulas Patocka
2018-05-02 13:38                                                                 ` John Stoffel
2018-05-03 17:40                                                                   ` Mikulas Patocka
2018-04-24  0:25                         ` [PATCH] kvmalloc: always use vmalloc if CONFIG_DEBUG_VM Mikulas Patocka
2018-04-24 13:31                           ` Michal Hocko
2018-04-24 15:30                             ` Mikulas Patocka
2018-04-24 16:12                               ` Michal Hocko
2018-04-24 16:29                                 ` Michal Hocko
2018-04-24 16:33                                 ` Mikulas Patocka
2018-05-02  0:36                                   ` Andrew Morton
2018-05-02 13:33                                     ` Mike Snitzer
2018-05-02 13:40                                       ` [dm-devel] " John Stoffel
2018-05-03 17:32                                     ` [PATCH] " Mikulas Patocka
2018-04-18 17:45   ` [PATCH] net: don't use kvzalloc for DMA memory David Miller
2018-04-18 17:55   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2018-04-18 20:38     ` Eric Dumazet
2018-04-19  4:00       ` Michael S. Tsirkin

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