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From: nsaenzju@redhat.com
To: Marcelo Tosatti <mtosatti@redhat.com>,
	Frederic Weisbecker <frederic@kernel.org>
Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, Nitesh Lal <nilal@redhat.com>,
	Christoph Lameter <cl@linux.com>,
	Juri Lelli <juri.lelli@redhat.com>,
	Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
	Alex Belits <abelits@marvell.com>, Peter Xu <peterx@redhat.com>,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>
Subject: Re: [patch 1/4] add basic task isolation prctl interface
Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2021 13:55:33 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <e0135b88dad323d0abd1ce05081e0b554421af7c.camel@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20210728093707.GA3242@fuller.cnet>

Hi Marcelo,

On Wed, 2021-07-28 at 06:37 -0300, Marcelo Tosatti wrote:
> On Wed, Jul 28, 2021 at 01:45:39AM +0200, Frederic Weisbecker wrote:
> > On Tue, Jul 27, 2021 at 11:52:09AM -0300, Marcelo Tosatti wrote:
> > > The meaning of isolated is specified as follows:
> > > 
> > > Isolation features
> > > ==================
> > > 
> > > - prctl(PR_ISOL_GET, ISOL_SUP_FEATURES, 0, 0, 0) returns the supported
> > > features as a return value.
> > > 
> > > - prctl(PR_ISOL_SET, ISOL_FEATURES, bitmask, 0, 0) enables the features in
> > > the bitmask.
> > > 
> > > - prctl(PR_ISOL_GET, ISOL_FEATURES, 0, 0, 0) returns the currently
> > > enabled features.
> > 
> > So what are the ISOL_FEATURES here? A mode that we enter such as flush
> > vmstat _everytime_ we resume to userpace after (and including) this prctl() ?
> 
> ISOL_FEATURES is just the "command" type (which you can get and set).
> 
> The bitmask would include ISOL_F_QUIESCE_ON_URET, so:
> 
> - bitmask = ISOL_F_QUIESCE_ON_URET;
> - prctl(PR_ISOL_SET, ISOL_FEATURES, bitmask, 0, 0) enables the features in
> the bitmask.
> 
> - quiesce_bitmap = prctl(PR_ISOL_GET, PR_ISOL_SUP_QUIESCE_CFG, 0, 0, 0)
>   (1)
> 
>   (returns the supported actions to be quiesced).
> 
> - prctl(PR_ISOL_SET, PR_ISOL_QUIESCE_CFG, quiesce_bitmask, 0, 0) _sets_
> the actions to be quiesced (2)
> 
> If an application does not modify "quiesce_bitmask" between 
> points (1) and (2) above, it will enable quiescing of all
> "features" the kernel supports.

I think this pattern of enabling all by default might be prone to subtly
breaking things.

For example, let's say we introduce ISOL_F_QUIESCE_DEFER_TLB_FLUSH, this will
defer relatively short IPIs on isolated CPUs in exchange for a longer flush
whenever we enter the kernel (syscall, IRQs, NMI, etc...). A latency sensitive
application might be OK with the former but not with the latter.

-- 
Nicolás Sáenz


  parent reply	other threads:[~2021-07-28 11:55 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 26+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2021-07-27 10:38 [patch 0/4] prctl task isolation interface and vmstat sync Marcelo Tosatti
2021-07-27 10:38 ` [patch 1/4] add basic task isolation prctl interface Marcelo Tosatti
2021-07-27 10:48   ` nsaenzju
2021-07-27 11:00     ` Marcelo Tosatti
2021-07-27 12:38       ` nsaenzju
2021-07-27 13:06         ` Marcelo Tosatti
2021-07-27 13:08           ` Marcelo Tosatti
2021-07-27 13:09         ` Frederic Weisbecker
2021-07-27 14:52           ` Marcelo Tosatti
2021-07-27 23:45             ` Frederic Weisbecker
2021-07-28  9:37               ` Marcelo Tosatti
2021-07-28 11:45                 ` Frederic Weisbecker
2021-07-28 13:21                   ` Marcelo Tosatti
2021-07-28 21:22                     ` Frederic Weisbecker
2021-07-28 11:55                 ` nsaenzju [this message]
2021-07-28 13:16                   ` Marcelo Tosatti
     [not found]                     ` <CAFki+LkQwoqVTKmgnwLQQM8ua-ixbLp8i+jUT6xF15k6X=89mw@mail.gmail.com>
2021-07-28 16:21                       ` Marcelo Tosatti
2021-07-28 17:08                     ` nsaenzju
     [not found]                 ` <CAFki+LmHeXmSFze8YEHFNbYA5hLEtnZyk37Yjf-eyOuKa8Os4w@mail.gmail.com>
2021-07-28 16:17                   ` Marcelo Tosatti
2021-07-27 10:38 ` [patch 2/4] task isolation: sync vmstats on return to userspace Marcelo Tosatti
2021-07-27 10:38 ` [patch 3/4] mm: vmstat: move need_update Marcelo Tosatti
2021-07-27 10:38 ` [patch 4/4] mm: vmstat_refresh: avoid queueing work item if cpu stats are clean Marcelo Tosatti
2021-07-30 20:18 [patch 0/4] extensible prctl task isolation interface and vmstat sync (v2) Marcelo Tosatti
2021-07-30 20:18 ` [patch 1/4] add basic task isolation prctl interface Marcelo Tosatti
     [not found]   ` <CAFki+Lnf0cs62Se0aPubzYxP9wh7xjMXn7RXEPvrmtBdYBrsow@mail.gmail.com>
2021-07-31  0:49     ` Marcelo Tosatti
2021-07-31  7:47   ` kernel test robot
     [not found]   ` <CAFki+LkQVQOe+5aNEKWDvLdnjWjxzKWOiqOvBZzeuPWX+G=XgA@mail.gmail.com>
2021-08-02 14:16     ` Marcelo Tosatti

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