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From: "Dan Williams" <dan.j.williams@intel.com>
To: "David Brownell" <david-b@pacbell.net>
Cc: "Haavard Skinnemoen" <hskinnemoen@atmel.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	"Shannon Nelson" <shannon.nelson@intel.com>,
	kernel@avr32linux.org, "Francis Moreau" <francis.moro@gmail.com>,
	"Paul Mundt" <lethal@linux-sh.org>,
	"Vladimir A. Barinov" <vbarinov@ru.mvista.com>,
	"Pierre Ossman" <drzeus-list@drzeus.cx>
Subject: Re: [RFC v2 2/5] dmaengine: Add slave DMA interface
Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2008 11:28:20 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <e9c3a7c20801301028l12af0f6bv90509ea08c319bc6@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <200801300252.50344.david-b@pacbell.net>

On Jan 30, 2008 3:52 AM, David Brownell <david-b@pacbell.net> wrote:
> On Wednesday 30 January 2008, Haavard Skinnemoen wrote:
> > Descriptor-based vs. register-based transfers sounds like something the
> > DMA engine driver is free to decide on its own.
>
> Not entirely.  The current interface has "dma_async_tx_descriptor"
> wired pretty thoroughly into the call structure -- hard to avoid.
> (And where's the "dma_async_rx_descriptor", since that's only TX??
> Asymmetry like that is usually not a healthy sign.)  The engine is
> not free to avoid those descriptors ...
>

For better or worse I picked async_tx to represent "asynchronous
transfers/transforms", not "transmit".  So there is no asymmetry as it
is used for operations in any direction, or multiple directions as is
the case with xor.  It is simply a gathering point for the common
functionality of descriptor-based offload-engines plus some extra
stuff to deal with creating arbitrary dependency chains.

> And consider that many DMA transfers can often be started (after
> cache synch operations) by writing less than half a dozen registers:
> source address, destination address, params, length, enable.  Being
> wildly generous, let's call that a couple dozen instructions, including
> saving "what to do when it's done".  The current framework requires
> several calls just to fill descriptors ... burning lots more than that
> many instructions even before getting around to the Real Work!  (So I
> was getting at low DMA overheads there, more than any particular way
> to talk to the controller.)
>

Well, it has gone from 4 calls to 2 recently for the memcpy case.  The
only reason it is not 1 call is to support switching dependency chains
between channels i.e. performing some copies on one channel followed
by an xor an another.

--
Dan

  parent reply	other threads:[~2008-01-30 18:28 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 39+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2008-01-29 18:10 [RFC v2 0/5] dmaengine: Slave DMA interface and example users Haavard Skinnemoen
2008-01-29 18:10 ` [RFC v2 1/5] dmaengine: Add dma_client parameter to device_alloc_chan_resources Haavard Skinnemoen
2008-01-29 18:10   ` [RFC v2 2/5] dmaengine: Add slave DMA interface Haavard Skinnemoen
2008-01-29 18:10     ` [RFC v2 3/5] dmaengine: Make DMA Engine menu visible for AVR32 users Haavard Skinnemoen
2008-01-29 18:10       ` [RFC v2 4/5] dmaengine: Driver for the Synopsys DesignWare DMA controller Haavard Skinnemoen
2008-01-29 18:10         ` [RFC v2 5/5] Atmel MCI: Driver for Atmel on-chip MMC controllers Haavard Skinnemoen
2008-02-13 18:30           ` Pierre Ossman
2008-02-13 18:47             ` Haavard Skinnemoen
2008-02-14 14:00             ` MMC core debugfs support (was Re: [RFC v2 5/5] Atmel MCI: Driver for Atmel on-chip MMC controllers) Haavard Skinnemoen
2008-02-25 17:12               ` Pierre Ossman
2008-02-13 19:11           ` [RFC v2 5/5] Atmel MCI: Driver for Atmel on-chip MMC controllers Dan Williams
2008-02-13 21:06             ` Haavard Skinnemoen
2008-02-13 23:55               ` Dan Williams
2008-02-14  8:36                 ` Haavard Skinnemoen
2008-02-14 18:34                   ` Dan Williams
2008-02-14 19:21                     ` Haavard Skinnemoen
2008-01-30 18:53         ` [RFC v2 4/5] dmaengine: Driver for the Synopsys DesignWare DMA controller Dan Williams
2008-01-30  7:30     ` [RFC v2 2/5] dmaengine: Add slave DMA interface David Brownell
2008-01-30  9:27       ` Haavard Skinnemoen
2008-01-30 10:52         ` David Brownell
2008-01-30 12:26           ` Haavard Skinnemoen
2008-01-31  8:27             ` David Brownell
2008-01-31  8:44               ` Paul Mundt
2008-01-31 12:51                 ` David Brownell
2008-01-31 14:12                   ` Haavard Skinnemoen
2008-01-31 13:52               ` Haavard Skinnemoen
2008-02-06 21:08             ` Dan Williams
2008-02-07 17:56               ` Haavard Skinnemoen
2008-01-30 18:28           ` Dan Williams [this message]
2008-01-30 20:45             ` David Brownell
2008-01-31  6:35     ` SDIO driver not receiving responses Farbod Nejati
2008-02-07 19:51       ` Pierre Ossman
2008-01-29 20:54 ` [RFC v2 0/5] dmaengine: Slave DMA interface and example users Haavard Skinnemoen
2008-01-30  6:56   ` David Brownell
2008-01-30  8:56     ` Haavard Skinnemoen
2008-01-30 17:39       ` Dan Williams
2008-02-04 15:32         ` Haavard Skinnemoen
2008-02-06 18:46           ` Dan Williams
2008-02-07 17:52             ` Haavard Skinnemoen

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