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From: Jarkko Sakkinen <jarkko@kernel.org>
To: Eric Snowberg <eric.snowberg@oracle.com>,
	keyrings@vger.kernel.org, linux-integrity@vger.kernel.org,
	zohar@linux.ibm.com, dhowells@redhat.com, dwmw2@infradead.org,
	herbert@gondor.apana.org.au, davem@davemloft.net,
	jmorris@namei.org, serge@hallyn.com
Cc: keescook@chromium.org, gregkh@linuxfoundation.org,
	torvalds@linux-foundation.org, scott.branden@broadcom.com,
	weiyongjun1@huawei.com, nayna@linux.ibm.com, ebiggers@google.com,
	ardb@kernel.org, nramas@linux.microsoft.com, lszubowi@redhat.com,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-crypto@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-security-module@vger.kernel.org,
	James.Bottomley@HansenPartnership.com, pjones@redhat.com,
	konrad.wilk@oracle.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH v4 00/12] Enroll kernel keys thru MOK
Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2021 14:38:03 +0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <fcb30226f378ef12cd8bd15938f0af0e1a3977a2.camel@kernel.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20210819002109.534600-1-eric.snowberg@oracle.com>

On Wed, 2021-08-18 at 20:20 -0400, Eric Snowberg wrote:
> Many UEFI Linux distributions boot using shim.  The UEFI shim provides
> what is called Machine Owner Keys (MOK).  Shim uses both the UEFI Secure
> Boot DB and MOK keys to validate the next step in the boot chain.  The
> MOK facility can be used to import user generated keys.  These keys can
> be used to sign an end-user development kernel build.  When Linux boots,
> pre-boot keys (both UEFI Secure Boot DB and MOK keys) get loaded in the
> Linux .platform keyring.  
> 
> Currently, pre-boot keys are not trusted within the Linux trust boundary
> [1]. These platform keys can only be used for kexec. If an end-user
> wants to use their own key within the Linux trust boundary, they must
> either compile it into the kernel themselves or use the insert-sys-cert
> script. Both options present a problem. Many end-users do not want to
> compile their own kernels. With the insert-sys-cert option, there are
> missing upstream changes [2].  Also, with the insert-sys-cert option,
> the end-user must re-sign their kernel again with their own key, and
> then insert that key into the MOK db. Another problem with
> insert-sys-cert is that only a single key can be inserted into a
> compressed kernel.
> 
> Having the ability to insert a key into the Linux trust boundary opens
> up various possibilities.  The end-user can use a pre-built kernel and
> sign their own kernel modules.  It also opens up the ability for an
> end-user to more easily use digital signature based IMA-appraisal.  To
> get a key into the ima keyring, it must be signed by a key within the
> Linux trust boundary.

As of today, I can use a prebuilt kernel, crate my own MOK key and sign
modules. What will be different?

> Downstream Linux distros try to have a single signed kernel for each
> architecture.  Each end-user may use this kernel in entirely different
> ways.  Some downstream kernels have chosen to always trust platform keys
> within the Linux trust boundary for kernel module signing.  These
> kernels have no way of using digital signature base IMA appraisal.
> 
> This series introduces a new Linux kernel keyring containing the Machine
> Owner Keys (MOK) called .mok. It also adds a new MOK variable to shim.

I would name it as ".machine" because it is more "re-usable" name, e.g.
could be used for similar things as MOK. ".mok" is a bad name because
it binds directly to a single piece of user space software.

/Jarkko

  parent reply	other threads:[~2021-08-19 11:38 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 33+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2021-08-19  0:20 Eric Snowberg
2021-08-19  0:20 ` [PATCH v4 01/12] integrity: Introduce a Linux keyring for the Machine Owner Key (MOK) Eric Snowberg
2021-08-19  0:20 ` [PATCH v4 02/12] integrity: Do not allow mok keyring updates following init Eric Snowberg
2021-08-19  0:21 ` [PATCH v4 03/12] KEYS: CA link restriction Eric Snowberg
2021-08-19  0:21 ` [PATCH v4 04/12] integrity: restrict INTEGRITY_KEYRING_MOK to restrict_link_by_ca Eric Snowberg
2021-08-19  0:21 ` [PATCH v4 05/12] integrity: add new keyring handler for mok keys Eric Snowberg
2021-08-19  0:21 ` [PATCH v4 06/12] KEYS: add a reference to mok keyring Eric Snowberg
2021-08-19  0:21 ` [PATCH v4 07/12] KEYS: Introduce link restriction to include builtin, secondary and mok keys Eric Snowberg
2021-08-19  0:21 ` [PATCH v4 08/12] KEYS: integrity: change link restriction to trust the mok keyring Eric Snowberg
2021-08-19  0:21 ` [PATCH v4 09/12] KEYS: link secondary_trusted_keys to mok trusted keys Eric Snowberg
2021-08-19  0:21 ` [PATCH v4 10/12] integrity: store reference to mok keyring Eric Snowberg
2021-08-19  0:21 ` [PATCH v4 11/12] integrity: Trust MOK keys if MokListTrustedRT found Eric Snowberg
2021-08-19  0:21 ` [PATCH v4 12/12] integrity: Only use mok keyring when uefi_check_trust_mok_keys is true Eric Snowberg
2021-08-19 11:38 ` Jarkko Sakkinen [this message]
2021-08-19 13:10   ` [PATCH v4 00/12] Enroll kernel keys thru MOK Mimi Zohar
2021-08-19 15:23     ` Eric Snowberg
2021-08-19 17:32       ` Mimi Zohar
2021-08-23 17:51         ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2021-08-23 20:48           ` Nayna
2021-08-24 14:34             ` Mimi Zohar
2021-08-25 22:21               ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2021-08-25 22:27                 ` James Bottomley
2021-08-27 20:44                   ` Nayna
2021-08-30 17:39                     ` Eric Snowberg
2021-09-01  0:52                       ` Nayna
2021-09-01  1:51                         ` Eric Snowberg
2021-09-02 10:18                           ` Mimi Zohar
2021-09-01  4:34                     ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2021-09-01  4:36                       ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2021-09-01  4:46                         ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2021-08-23 17:37       ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2021-08-23 17:35     ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2021-08-23 17:48       ` Eric Snowberg

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