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From: ebiederm@xmission.com (Eric W. Biederman)
To: Stephen Hemminger <shemminger@vyatta.com>
Cc: "Serge E. Hallyn" <serue@us.ibm.com>,
Benjamin Thery <benjamin.thery@bull.net>,
netdev <netdev@vger.kernel.org>,
Dave Miller <davem@davemloft.net>,
Greg Kroah-Hartman <gregkh@suse.de>,
Al Viro <viro@ftp.linux.org.uk>,
Daniel Lezcano <dlezcano@fr.ibm.com>,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, Tejun Heo <htejun@gmail.com>,
Denis Lunev <den@openvz.org>,
Linux Containers <containers@lists.linux-foundation.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 0/4][RFC] netns: sysfs: add a netns suffix to net device sysfs entries
Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2008 15:54:23 -0700 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <m11vy8jl5s.fsf@frodo.ebiederm.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20081022145507.2d1ea86c@extreme> (Stephen Hemminger's message of "Wed, 22 Oct 2008 14:55:07 -0700")
Stephen Hemminger <shemminger@vyatta.com> writes:
>> The well-known user space tools don't use /sys at all. Modern
>> network tools use rtnetlink (ip) old network tools use /proc/net.
>>
>> Very few things actually use /sys and for those things lo@1 or
>> eth0@1 are completely useless except for implementing a FUSE
>> mock up of sysfs. But you don't need anything in sysfs to do
>> that as all of the interesting information is available through
>> /proc/net or rtnetlink.
>
> Lots of scripts are starting use /sys for things. It is easier to
> parse /sys/class/net than the output of ifconfig or ip
Yes. So we need the correct values in /sys/class/net.
Which is why sysfs and network namespaces do not coexist currently.
Which is why I recommend only placing devices in the initial network
namespace in sysfs for the short term.
Which is why we need to get all of the details correct when we
handle multiple network namespaces and sysfs.
I should have something working and should be sending patches out
shortly. Cleaning up sysfs and the device model enough so the changes
are not spooky is a long hard road unfortunately.
Eric
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2008-10-22 23:04 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 25+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2008-10-22 15:21 Benjamin Thery
2008-10-22 15:21 ` [PATCH 1/4] netns: add in ida ID to identify the network namespace Benjamin Thery
2008-10-22 15:22 ` [PATCH 2/4] netns: Export nets id to /proc/net/netns Benjamin Thery
2008-10-22 15:22 ` [PATCH 3/4] net: cleanup some vars names to be more consistant with the network code Benjamin Thery
2008-10-22 15:22 ` [PATCH 4/4] netns: sysfs: add netns suffix to net devices sysfs entries Benjamin Thery
2008-10-22 19:59 ` [PATCH 0/4][RFC] netns: sysfs: add a netns suffix to net device " Eric W. Biederman
2008-10-22 20:30 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2008-10-22 21:01 ` Eric W. Biederman
2008-10-22 21:55 ` Stephen Hemminger
2008-10-22 22:54 ` Eric W. Biederman [this message]
2008-10-23 4:14 ` Kyle Moffett
2008-10-23 11:56 ` Benjamin Thery
2008-10-23 15:46 ` Eric W. Biederman
2008-10-22 20:16 ` Greg KH
2008-10-22 21:08 ` Eric W. Biederman
2008-10-22 21:24 ` Greg KH
2008-10-22 20:32 ` [PATCH] netns: Coexist with the sysfs limitations Eric W. Biederman
2008-10-22 20:40 ` Daniel Lezcano
2008-10-22 21:21 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2008-10-23 8:04 ` Benjamin Thery
2008-10-23 15:40 ` Eric W. Biederman
2008-10-23 15:56 ` [PATCH] netns: Coexist with the sysfs limitations v2 Eric W. Biederman
2008-10-27 19:41 ` David Miller
2008-10-27 20:19 ` Eric W. Biederman
2008-10-28 0:50 ` David Miller
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