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From: Vladimir Oltean <olteanv@gmail.com>
To: Andrew Lunn <andrew@lunn.ch>
Cc: "Russell King (Oracle)" <linux@armlinux.org.uk>,
	"Vladimir Oltean" <vladimir.oltean@nxp.com>,
	netdev@vger.kernel.org,
	"Greg Kroah-Hartman" <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>,
	"Rafael J. Wysocki" <rafael@kernel.org>,
	"Heiner Kallweit" <hkallweit1@gmail.com>,
	"David S. Miller" <davem@davemloft.net>,
	"Jakub Kicinski" <kuba@kernel.org>,
	"Vivien Didelot" <vivien.didelot@gmail.com>,
	"Florian Fainelli" <f.fainelli@gmail.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	"Linus Walleij" <linus.walleij@linaro.org>,
	"Alvin Šipraga" <alsi@bang-olufsen.dk>,
	"ACPI Devel Maling List" <linux-acpi@vger.kernel.org>,
	kernel-team <kernel-team@android.com>,
	"Len Brown" <lenb@kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH net-next 0/3] Make the PHY library stop being so greedy when binding the generic PHY driver
Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2021 23:32:48 +0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20210902203248.dy5b6ismgb55s5cd@skbuf> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <YTEvFR2WGQmG3h/C@lunn.ch>

On Thu, Sep 02, 2021 at 10:07:49PM +0200, Andrew Lunn wrote:
> > The interrupt controller _has_ been set up. The trouble is that the
> > interrupt controller has the same OF node as the switch itself, and the
> > same OF node. Therefore, fw_devlink waits for the _entire_ switch to
> > finish probing, it doesn't have insight into the fact that the
> > dependency is just on the interrupt controller.
>
> That seems to be the problem. fw_devlink appears to think probe is an
> atomic operation. A device is not probed, or full probed. Where as the
> drivers are making use of it being non atomic.
>
> Maybe fw_devlink needs the third state, probing. And when deciding if
> a device can be probed and depends on a device which is currently
> probing, it looks deeper, follows the phandle and see if the resource
> is actually available?

This is interesting because there already exists a device link state for
when the consumer is "probing", but for the supplier, it's binary:

/**
 * enum device_link_state - Device link states.
 * @DL_STATE_NONE: The presence of the drivers is not being tracked.
 * @DL_STATE_DORMANT: None of the supplier/consumer drivers is present.
 * @DL_STATE_AVAILABLE: The supplier driver is present, but the consumer is not.
 * @DL_STATE_CONSUMER_PROBE: The consumer is probing (supplier driver present).
 * @DL_STATE_ACTIVE: Both the supplier and consumer drivers are present.
 * @DL_STATE_SUPPLIER_UNBIND: The supplier driver is unbinding.
 */

The check that's killing us is in device_links_check_suppliers, and is
for DL_STATE_AVAILABLE:

	list_for_each_entry(link, &dev->links.suppliers, c_node) {
		if (!(link->flags & DL_FLAG_MANAGED))
			continue;

		if (link->status != DL_STATE_AVAILABLE &&
		    !(link->flags & DL_FLAG_SYNC_STATE_ONLY)) {
			device_links_missing_supplier(dev);
			dev_err(dev, "probe deferral - supplier %s not ready\n",
				dev_name(link->supplier));
			ret = -EPROBE_DEFER;
			break;
		}
		WRITE_ONCE(link->status, DL_STATE_CONSUMER_PROBE);
	}

Anyway, I was expecting quite a different reaction from this patch
series, and especially one from Saravana. We are essentially battling to
handle an -EPROBE_DEFER we don't need (the battle might be worth it
though, in the general case, which is one of the reasons I posted them).

But these patches also solve DSA's issue with the circular dependency
between the switch and its internal PHYs, and nobody seems to have asked
the most important question: why?

The PHY should return -EPROBE_DEFER ad infinitum, since its supplier has
never finished probing by the time it calls phy_attach_direct.

  reply	other threads:[~2021-09-02 20:32 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 52+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2021-09-01 22:50 [RFC PATCH net-next 0/3] Make the PHY library stop being so greedy when binding the generic PHY driver Vladimir Oltean
2021-09-01 22:50 ` [RFC PATCH net-next 1/3] net: phy: don't bind genphy in phy_attach_direct if the specific driver defers probe Vladimir Oltean
2021-09-02  5:43   ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2021-09-02 10:11     ` Vladimir Oltean
2021-09-02 10:37       ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2021-09-02 11:17         ` Vladimir Oltean
2021-09-02 14:37     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2021-09-02 18:50   ` Russell King (Oracle)
2021-09-02 19:23     ` Vladimir Oltean
2021-09-02 19:51     ` Andrew Lunn
2021-09-02 20:33       ` Florian Fainelli
2021-09-02 21:33         ` Russell King (Oracle)
2021-09-02 21:39           ` Vladimir Oltean
2021-09-02 22:24             ` Russell King (Oracle)
2021-09-02 22:45               ` Vladimir Oltean
2021-09-02 23:02                 ` Andrew Lunn
2021-09-02 23:26                   ` Vladimir Oltean
2021-09-03  0:04                     ` Russell King (Oracle)
2021-09-03 20:48                       ` Vladimir Oltean
2021-09-03 22:06                         ` Russell King (Oracle)
2021-09-04 21:59                           ` Vladimir Oltean
2021-09-04 23:25                             ` Russell King (Oracle)
2021-09-05  0:41                               ` Vladimir Oltean
2021-09-03  9:27               ` Ioana Ciornei
2021-09-01 22:50 ` [RFC PATCH net-next 2/3] net: dsa: destroy the phylink instance on any error in dsa_slave_phy_setup Vladimir Oltean
2021-09-02 12:25   ` Russell King (Oracle)
2021-09-02 23:21   ` Florian Fainelli
2021-09-01 22:50 ` [RFC PATCH net-next 3/3] net: dsa: allow the phy_connect() call to return -EPROBE_DEFER Vladimir Oltean
2021-09-02 12:19 ` [RFC PATCH net-next 0/3] Make the PHY library stop being so greedy when binding the generic PHY driver Russell King (Oracle)
2021-09-02 12:35   ` Vladimir Oltean
2021-09-02 12:59     ` Vladimir Oltean
2021-09-02 13:26     ` Russell King (Oracle)
2021-09-02 15:23       ` Vladimir Oltean
2021-09-02 16:31         ` Russell King (Oracle)
2021-09-02 17:10           ` Vladimir Oltean
2021-09-02 17:50             ` Russell King (Oracle)
2021-09-02 19:05               ` Vladimir Oltean
2021-09-02 20:03                 ` Russell King (Oracle)
2021-09-02 20:21                   ` Vladimir Oltean
2021-09-02 20:29                     ` Russell King (Oracle)
2021-09-03 16:22                       ` Vladimir Oltean
2021-09-03 17:21                         ` Andrew Lunn
2021-09-03 18:58                           ` Russell King (Oracle)
2021-09-03 19:56                             ` Andrew Lunn
2021-09-03 20:08                               ` Russell King (Oracle)
2021-09-03 18:54                         ` Russell King (Oracle)
2021-09-03 20:11                           ` Vladimir Oltean
2021-09-02 20:07     ` Andrew Lunn
2021-09-02 20:32       ` Vladimir Oltean [this message]
2021-09-02 21:39         ` Russell King (Oracle)
2021-09-02 22:05 ` Vladimir Oltean
2021-09-02 23:29   ` Saravana Kannan

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