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From: Jesper Dangaard Brouer <jbrouer@redhat.com>
To: Jakub Kicinski <kuba@kernel.org>, David Ahern <dsahern@gmail.com>,
"Karlsson, Magnus" <magnus.karlsson@intel.com>
Cc: brouer@redhat.com, Saeed Mahameed <saeed@kernel.org>,
Alexander Lobakin <alexandr.lobakin@intel.com>,
"David S. Miller" <davem@davemloft.net>,
Jesse Brandeburg <jesse.brandeburg@intel.com>,
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Subject: Re: [PATCH net-next 03/21] ethtool, stats: introduce standard XDP statistics
Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2021 14:19:30 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <5653e19f-75fa-9a94-4b45-0cf110fd6e36@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20210804094432.08d0fa86@kicinski-fedora-pc1c0hjn.dhcp.thefacebook.com>
On 04/08/2021 18.44, Jakub Kicinski wrote:
> On Wed, 4 Aug 2021 10:17:56 -0600 David Ahern wrote:
>> On 8/4/21 6:36 AM, Jakub Kicinski wrote:
>
>> Does anyone have data that shows bumping a properly implemented counter
>> causes a noticeable performance degradation and if so by how much? You
>> mention 'yet another cacheline' but collecting stats on stack and
>> incrementing the driver structs at the end of the napi loop should not
>> have a huge impact versus the value the stats provide.
>
> Not sure, maybe Jesper has some numbers. Maybe Intel folks do?
(sorry, behind on emails after vacation ... just partly answering inside
this thread, not checking if you did a smart counter impl.).
I don't have exact numbers, but I hope Magnus (Intel) would be motivated
to validate performance degradation from this patchset. As I know Intel
is hunting the DPDK numbers with AF_XDP-zc, where every last cycle *do*
count.
My experience is that counters can easily hurt performance, without the
developers noticing the small degradation's. As Ahern sketch out above
(stats on stack + end of napi loop update), I do believe that a smart
counter implementation is possible to hide this overhead (hopefully
completely in the CPUs pipeline slots).
I do highly appreciate the effort to standardize the XDP stats!
So, I do hope this can somehow move forward.
--Jesper
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2021-08-12 12:20 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 45+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2021-08-03 16:36 [PATCH net-next 00/21] ethtool, stats: introduce and use standard XDP stats Alexander Lobakin
2021-08-03 16:36 ` [PATCH net-next 01/21] ethtool, stats: use a shorthand pointer in stats_prepare_data() Alexander Lobakin
2021-08-03 16:36 ` [PATCH net-next 02/21] ethtool, stats: add compile-time checks for standard stats Alexander Lobakin
2021-08-03 16:36 ` [PATCH net-next 03/21] ethtool, stats: introduce standard XDP statistics Alexander Lobakin
2021-08-03 20:49 ` Jakub Kicinski
2021-08-03 23:57 ` Saeed Mahameed
2021-08-04 12:36 ` Jakub Kicinski
2021-08-04 15:53 ` Alexander Lobakin
2021-08-04 16:57 ` Jakub Kicinski
2021-08-05 11:18 ` Alexander Lobakin
2021-08-05 13:31 ` Jakub Kicinski
2021-08-04 16:17 ` David Ahern
2021-08-04 16:44 ` Jakub Kicinski
2021-08-04 17:28 ` David Ahern
2021-08-04 18:27 ` Saeed Mahameed
2021-08-05 0:43 ` David Ahern
2021-08-05 2:14 ` Saeed Mahameed
2021-08-12 12:19 ` Jesper Dangaard Brouer [this message]
2021-10-26 9:23 ` Alexander Lobakin
2021-11-05 16:44 ` Alexander Lobakin
2021-11-08 11:37 ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2021-11-08 13:21 ` Alexander Lobakin
2021-11-08 18:09 ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2021-08-03 16:36 ` [PATCH net-next 04/21] ethernet, dpaa2: simplify per-channel Ethtool stats counting Alexander Lobakin
2021-08-03 16:36 ` [PATCH net-next 05/21] ethernet, dpaa2: convert to standard XDP stats Alexander Lobakin
2021-08-03 16:36 ` [PATCH net-next 06/21] ethernet, ena: constify src and syncp args of ena_safe_update_stat() Alexander Lobakin
2021-08-03 16:36 ` [PATCH net-next 07/21] ethernet, ena: convert to standard XDP stats Alexander Lobakin
2021-08-04 13:04 ` Shay Agroskin
2021-08-04 15:24 ` Alexander Lobakin
2021-08-03 16:36 ` [PATCH net-next 08/21] ethernet, enetc: " Alexander Lobakin
2021-08-03 16:36 ` [PATCH net-next 09/21] ethernet, mvneta: rename xdp_xmit_err to xdp_xmit_drops Alexander Lobakin
2021-08-03 16:36 ` [PATCH net-next 10/21] ethernet, mvneta: convert to standard XDP stats Alexander Lobakin
2021-08-03 16:36 ` [PATCH net-next 11/21] ethernet, mvpp2: rename xdp_xmit_err to xdp_xmit_drops Alexander Lobakin
2021-08-03 16:36 ` [PATCH net-next 12/21] ethernet, mvpp2: convert to standard XDP stats Alexander Lobakin
2021-08-03 16:36 ` [PATCH net-next 13/21] ethernet, sfc: " Alexander Lobakin
2021-08-03 17:59 ` Edward Cree
2021-08-03 16:36 ` [PATCH net-next 14/21] veth: rename rx_drops to xdp_errors Alexander Lobakin
2021-08-03 16:36 ` [PATCH net-next 15/21] veth: rename xdp_xmit_errors to xdp_xmit_drops Alexander Lobakin
2021-08-03 16:36 ` [PATCH net-next 16/21] veth: rename drop xdp_ suffix from packets and bytes stats Alexander Lobakin
2021-08-03 16:36 ` [PATCH net-next 17/21] veth: convert to standard XDP stats Alexander Lobakin
2021-08-03 16:36 ` [PATCH net-next 18/21] virtio-net: rename xdp_tx{,__drops} SQ stats to xdp_xmit{,__drops} Alexander Lobakin
2021-08-03 16:42 ` Alexander Lobakin
2021-08-03 16:42 ` [PATCH net-next 19/21] virtio-net: don't mix error-caused drops with XDP_DROP cases Alexander Lobakin
2021-08-03 16:42 ` [PATCH net-next 20/21] virtio-net: convert to standard XDP stats Alexander Lobakin
2021-08-03 16:42 ` [PATCH net-next 21/21] Documentation, ethtool-netlink: update standard statistics documentation Alexander Lobakin
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