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From: Cong Wang <xiyou.wangcong@gmail.com>
To: Daniel Borkmann <daniel@iogearbox.net>
Cc: Peilin Ye <yepeilin.cs@gmail.com>,
	Jamal Hadi Salim <jhs@mojatatu.com>,
	Jiri Pirko <jiri@resnulli.us>,
	"David S. Miller" <davem@davemloft.net>,
	Jakub Kicinski <kuba@kernel.org>,
	Linux Kernel Network Developers <netdev@vger.kernel.org>,
	LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Cong Wang <cong.wang@bytedance.com>,
	Peilin Ye <peilin.ye@bytedance.com>,
	Alexei Starovoitov <ast@kernel.org>,
	John Fastabend <john.fastabend@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH net-next 1/2] net/sched: sch_ingress: Support clsact egress mini-Qdisc option
Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2021 10:50:37 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAM_iQpU-Z5qQOW=0FV4uXo__EDmyMqycgiuyykfHD8TN+-xZ-w@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <e2a8ac28-f6ee-25e7-6cb9-cc28369b030a@iogearbox.net>

On Tue, Aug 3, 2021 at 1:08 AM Daniel Borkmann <daniel@iogearbox.net> wrote:
>
> On 8/3/21 2:08 AM, Cong Wang wrote:
> > On Mon, Aug 2, 2021 at 2:11 PM Daniel Borkmann <daniel@iogearbox.net> wrote:
> >>
> >> NAK, just use clsact qdisc in the first place which has both ingress and egress
> >> support instead of adding such hack. You already need to change your scripts for
> >> clsact-on, so just swap 'tc qdisc add dev eth0 ingress' to 'tc qdisc add dev eth0
> >> clsact' w/o needing to change kernel.
> >
> > If we were able to change the "script" as easily as you described,
> > you would not even see such a patch. The fact is it is not under
> > our control, the most we can do is change the qdisc after it is
> > created by the "script", ideally without interfering its traffic,
> > hence we have such a patch.
> >
> > (BTW, it is actually not a script, it is a cloud platform.)
>
> Sigh, so you're trying to solve a non-technical issue with one cloud provider by
> taking a detour for unnecessarily extending the kernel instead with functionality
> that already exists in another qdisc (and potentially waiting few years until they
> eventually upgrade). I presume Bytedance should be a big enough entity to make a
> case for that provider to change it. After all swapping ingress with clsact for
> such script is completely transparent and there is nothing that would break. (Fwiw,
> from all the major cloud providers we have never seen such issue in our deployments.)

Well, it is both non-technical and technical at the same time.

The non-technical part is that it is really hard to convince people from
other team to restart their services just for a kernel change, people are just
not happy to take risks.

The technical part is the bad design of clsact. It is too late to complain,
but it should not create two _conceptual_  qdiscs (actually just one struct
Qdisc) at the same time. If it only created just egress, we would
not even bother changing ingress at all. Sigh.

Thanks.

      reply	other threads:[~2021-08-04 17:50 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 6+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2021-08-02 20:49 Peilin Ye
2021-08-02 20:50 ` [PATCH net-next 2/2] tc-testing/ingress: Add control-plane selftests for " Peilin Ye
2021-08-02 21:10 ` [PATCH net-next 1/2] net/sched: sch_ingress: Support " Daniel Borkmann
2021-08-03  0:08   ` Cong Wang
2021-08-03  8:08     ` Daniel Borkmann
2021-08-04 17:50       ` Cong Wang [this message]

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