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From: Leon Romanovsky <leon@kernel.org>
To: Logan Gunthorpe <logang@deltatee.com>
Cc: Dongdong Liu <liudongdong3@huawei.com>,
	helgaas@kernel.org, hch@infradead.org, kw@linux.com,
	linux-pci@vger.kernel.org, rajur@chelsio.com,
	hverkuil-cisco@xs4all.nl, linux-media@vger.kernel.org,
	netdev@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH V6 7/8] PCI: Add "pci=disable_10bit_tag=" parameter for peer-to-peer support
Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2021 14:05:00 +0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <YP/oXP7ZZ1D5kd+A@unreal> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <bc9b7b00-40eb-7d4e-f3b3-1d4174f10be5@deltatee.com>

On Mon, Jul 26, 2021 at 09:48:57AM -0600, Logan Gunthorpe wrote:
> 
> 
> On 2021-07-25 12:39 a.m., Leon Romanovsky wrote:
> > On Fri, Jul 23, 2021 at 10:20:50AM -0600, Logan Gunthorpe wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On 2021-07-23 5:32 a.m., Leon Romanovsky wrote:
> >>> On Fri, Jul 23, 2021 at 07:06:41PM +0800, Dongdong Liu wrote:
> >>>> PCIe spec 5.0 r1.0 section 2.2.6.2 says that if an Endpoint supports
> >>>> sending Requests to other Endpoints (as opposed to host memory), the
> >>>> Endpoint must not send 10-Bit Tag Requests to another given Endpoint
> >>>> unless an implementation-specific mechanism determines that the Endpoint
> >>>> supports 10-Bit Tag Completer capability. Add "pci=disable_10bit_tag="
> >>>> parameter to disable 10-Bit Tag Requester if the peer device does not
> >>>> support the 10-Bit Tag Completer. This will make P2P traffic safe.
> >>>>
> >>>> Signed-off-by: Dongdong Liu <liudongdong3@huawei.com>
> >>>> ---
> >>>>  Documentation/admin-guide/kernel-parameters.txt |  7 ++++
> >>>>  drivers/pci/pci.c                               | 56 +++++++++++++++++++++++++
> >>>>  drivers/pci/pci.h                               |  1 +
> >>>>  drivers/pci/pcie/portdrv_pci.c                  | 13 +++---
> >>>>  drivers/pci/probe.c                             |  9 ++--
> >>>>  5 files changed, 78 insertions(+), 8 deletions(-)
> >>>>
> >>>> diff --git a/Documentation/admin-guide/kernel-parameters.txt b/Documentation/admin-guide/kernel-parameters.txt
> >>>> index bdb2200..c2c4585 100644
> >>>> --- a/Documentation/admin-guide/kernel-parameters.txt
> >>>> +++ b/Documentation/admin-guide/kernel-parameters.txt
> >>>> @@ -4019,6 +4019,13 @@
> >>>>  				bridges without forcing it upstream. Note:
> >>>>  				this removes isolation between devices and
> >>>>  				may put more devices in an IOMMU group.
> >>>> +		disable_10bit_tag=<pci_dev>[; ...]
> >>>> +				  Specify one or more PCI devices (in the format
> >>>> +				  specified above) separated by semicolons.
> >>>> +				  Disable 10-Bit Tag Requester if the peer
> >>>> +				  device does not support the 10-Bit Tag
> >>>> +				  Completer.This will make P2P traffic safe.
> >>>
> >>> I can't imagine more awkward user experience than such kernel parameter.
> >>>
> >>> As a user, I will need to boot the system, hope for the best that system
> >>> works, write down all PCI device numbers, guess which one doesn't work
> >>> properly, update grub with new command line argument and reboot the
> >>> system. Any HW change and this dance should be repeated.
> >>
> >> There are already two such PCI parameters with this pattern and they are
> >> not that awkward. pci_dev may be specified with either vendor/device IDS
> >> or with a path of BDFs (which protects against renumbering).
> > 
> > Unfortunately, in the real world, BDF is not so stable. It changes with
> > addition of new hardware, BIOS upgrades and even broken servers.
> 
> That's why it supports using a *path* of BDFs which tends not to catch
> the wrong device if the topology changes.
> 
> > Vendor/device IDs doesn't work if you have multiple devices of same
> > vendor in the system.
> 
> Yes, but it's fine for some use cases. That's why there's a range of
> options.

The thing is that you are adding PCI parameter that is applicable to everyone.

We probably see different usage models for this feature. In my world, users
have thousands of servers that runs 24x7, with VMs on top, some of them perform
FW upgrades without stopping anything. The idea that you can reboot such server
any time, simply doesn't exist.

So if I need to enable/disable this feature for one of the VFs, I will be stuck.

> 
> >>
> >> This flag is only useful in P2PDMA traffic, and if the user attempts
> >> such a transfer, it prints a warning (see the next patch) with the exact
> >> parameter that needs to be added to the command line.
> > 
> > Dongdong citied PCI spec and it was very clear - don't enable this
> > feature unless you clearly know that it is safe to enable. This is
> > completely opposite to the proposal here - always enable and disable
> > if something is printed to the dmesg.
> 
> Quoting from patch 4:
> 
> "For platforms where the RC supports 10-Bit Tag Completer capability,
> it is highly recommended for platform firmware or operating software
> that configures PCIe hierarchies to Set the 10-Bit Tag Requester Enable
> bit automatically in Endpoints with 10-Bit Tag Requester capability.
> This enables the important class of 10-Bit Tag capable adapters that
> send Memory Read Requests only to host memory."
> 
> Notice the last sentence. It's saying that devices who only talk to host
> memory should have 10-bit tags enabled. In the kernel we call devices
> that talk to things besides host memory "P2PDMA". So the spec is saying
> not to enable 10bit tags for devices participating in P2PDMA. The kernel
> needs a way to allow users to do that. The kernel parameter only stops
> the feature from being enabled for a specific device, and the only
> use-case is P2PDMA which is not that common and requires the user to be
> aware of their topology. So I really don't think this is that big a problem.

I'm not question the feature and the need of configuration. My concern
is just *how* this feature is configured.

> 
> >>
> >> This has worked well for disable_acs_redir and was used for
> >> resource_alignment before that for quite some time. So save a better
> >> suggestion I think this is more than acceptable.
> > 
> > I don't know about other parameters and their history, but we are not in
> > 90s anymore and addition of modules parameters (for the PCI it is kernel
> > cmdline arguments) are better to be changed to some configuration tool/sysfs.
> 
> The problem was that the ACS bits had to be set before the kernel
> enumerated the devices. The IOMMU code simply was not able to support
> dynamic adjustments to its groups. I assume changing 10bit tags
> dynamically is similarly tricky -- but if it's not then, yes a sysfs
> interface in addition to the kernel parameter would be a good idea.

I think that it is doable with combination of drivers_autoprobe disable
and some sysfs knob to enable/disable this feature before driver bind.

It should be very similar to that we did for the dynamic MSI-X, see
/sys/bus/pci/devices/.../sriov_vf_msix_count

Thanks

> 
> Logan

  reply	other threads:[~2021-07-27 11:05 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 21+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2021-07-23 11:06 [PATCH V6 0/8] PCI: Enable 10-Bit tag support for PCIe devices Dongdong Liu
2021-07-23 11:06 ` [PATCH V6 1/8] PCI: Use cached Device Capabilities Register Dongdong Liu
2021-07-23 11:06 ` [PATCH V6 2/8] PCI: Use cached Device Capabilities 2 Register Dongdong Liu
2021-07-23 11:06 ` [PATCH V6 3/8] PCI: Add 10-Bit Tag register definitions Dongdong Liu
2021-07-23 11:06 ` [PATCH V6 4/8] PCI: Enable 10-Bit tag support for PCIe Endpoint devices Dongdong Liu
2021-07-23 11:06 ` [PATCH V6 5/8] PCI/IOV: Enable 10-Bit tag support for PCIe VF devices Dongdong Liu
2021-07-23 11:06 ` [PATCH V6 6/8] PCI: Enable 10-Bit tag support for PCIe RP devices Dongdong Liu
2021-07-23 11:06 ` [PATCH V6 7/8] PCI: Add "pci=disable_10bit_tag=" parameter for peer-to-peer support Dongdong Liu
2021-07-23 11:32   ` Leon Romanovsky
2021-07-23 16:20     ` Logan Gunthorpe
2021-07-25  6:39       ` Leon Romanovsky
2021-07-26 15:48         ` Logan Gunthorpe
2021-07-27 11:05           ` Leon Romanovsky [this message]
2021-07-27 14:30             ` Dongdong Liu
2021-07-27 15:41               ` Leon Romanovsky
2021-07-27 14:00           ` Dongdong Liu
2021-07-23 16:58   ` kernel test robot
2021-07-24 10:35     ` Dongdong Liu
2021-07-23 11:06 ` [PATCH V6 8/8] PCI/P2PDMA: Add a 10-bit tag check in P2PDMA Dongdong Liu
2021-07-23 16:25   ` Logan Gunthorpe
2021-07-24 10:36     ` Dongdong Liu

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