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From: Josh Triplett <>
To: Pavel Begunkov <>
Cc: Jens Axboe <>,,
	"David S . Miller" <>,
	Jakub Kicinski <>,,,
	Stefan Metzmacher <>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 0/4] open/accept directly into io_uring fixed file table
Date: Sat, 14 Aug 2021 20:31:15 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <YRiKg7tV+8oMtXtg@localhost> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <>

On Sat, Aug 14, 2021 at 01:50:24PM +0100, Pavel Begunkov wrote:
> On 8/13/21 8:00 PM, Josh Triplett wrote:
> > Rather than using sqe->file_index - 1, which feels like an error-prone
> > interface, I think it makes sense to use a dedicated flag for this, like
> > IOSQE_OPEN_FIXED. That flag could work for any open-like operation,
> > including open, accept, and in the future many other operations such as
> > memfd_create. (Imagine using a single ring submission to open a memfd,
> > write a buffer into it, seal it, send it over a UNIX socket, and then
> > close it.)
> > 
> > The only downside is that you'll need to reject that flag in all
> > non-open operations. One way to unify that code might be to add a flag
> > in io_op_def for open-like operations, and then check in common code for
> > the case of non-open-like operations passing IOSQE_OPEN_FIXED.
> io_uring is really thin, and so I absolutely don't want any extra
> overhead in the generic path, IOW anything affecting
> reads/writes/sends/recvs.

There are already several checks for valid flags in io_init_req. For
        if ((sqe_flags & IOSQE_BUFFER_SELECT) &&
                return -EOPNOTSUPP;
It'd be trivial to make io_op_defs have a "valid flags" byte, and one
bitwise op tells you if any invalid flags were passed. *Zero* additional
overhead for other operations.

Alternatively, since there are so few operations that open a file
descriptor, you could just add a separate opcode for those few
operations. That still seems preferable to overloading a 16-bit index
field for this.

With this new mechanism, I think we're going to want to support more
than 65535 fixed-file entries. I can easily imagine wanting to handle
hundreds of thousands of files or sockets this way.

> The other reason is that there are only 2 bits left in sqe->flags,
> and we may use them for something better, considering that it's
> only open/accept and not much as this.

pipe, dup3, socket, socketpair, pidfds (via either pidfd_open or a
ring-based spawn mechanism), epoll_create, inotify, fanotify, signalfd,
timerfd, eventfd, memfd_create, userfaultfd, open_tree, fsopen, fsmount,

Of those, I personally would *love* to have at least pipe, socket,
pidfd, memfd_create, and fsopen/fsmount/open_tree, plus some manner of
dup-like operation for moving things between the fixed-file table and
file descriptors.

I think this is valuable and versatile enough to merit a flag. It would
also be entirely reasonable to create separate operations for these. But
either way, I don't think this should just be determined by whether a
16-bit index is non-zero.

> I agree that it feels error-prone, but at least it can be wrapped
> nicely enough in liburing, e.g.
> void io_uring_prep_openat_direct(struct io_uring_sqe *sqe, int dfd,
> 				 const char *path, int flags,
> 				 mode_t mode, int slot_idx);

That wrapper wouldn't be able to handle more than a 16-bit slot index

> > Also, rather than using a 16-bit index for the fixed file table and
> > potentially requiring expansion into a different field in the future,
> > what about overlapping it with the nofile field in the open and accept
> > requests? If they're not opening a normal file descriptor, they don't
> > need nofile. And in the original sqe, you can then overlap it with a
> > 32-bit field like splice_fd_in.
> There is no nofile in SQEs, though
> req->open.nofile = rlimit(RLIMIT_NOFILE);

nofile isn't needed for opening into the fixed-file table, so it could
be omitted in that case, and another field unioned with it. That would
allow passing a 32-bit fixed-file index into open and accept without
growing the size of their structures. I think, with this new capability,
we're going to want a large number of fixed files available.

In the SQE, you could overlap it with the splice_fd_in field, which
isn't needed by any calls other than splice.

- Josh Triplett

  parent reply	other threads:[~2021-08-15  3:31 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 18+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2021-08-13 16:43 Pavel Begunkov
2021-08-13 16:43 ` [PATCH v2 1/4] net: add accept helper not installing fd Pavel Begunkov
2021-08-13 16:43 ` [PATCH v2 2/4] io_uring: openat directly into fixed fd table Pavel Begunkov
2021-08-13 16:43 ` [PATCH v2 3/4] io_uring: hand code io_accept() fd installing Pavel Begunkov
2021-08-13 16:43 ` [PATCH v2 4/4] io_uring: accept directly into fixed file table Pavel Begunkov
2021-08-13 19:00 ` [PATCH v2 0/4] open/accept directly into io_uring " Josh Triplett
2021-08-14 12:50   ` Pavel Begunkov
2021-08-14 23:03     ` Jens Axboe
2021-08-15  3:42       ` Josh Triplett
2021-08-15 15:05         ` Jens Axboe
2021-08-15 15:12           ` Jens Axboe
2021-08-15 13:00       ` Pavel Begunkov
2021-08-15  3:31     ` Josh Triplett [this message]
2021-08-15 10:48       ` Pavel Begunkov
2021-08-15 14:23         ` Pavel Begunkov
2021-08-16 15:45 ` Stefan Metzmacher
2021-08-17  9:33   ` Pavel Begunkov
2021-08-17 14:57     ` Jens Axboe

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