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From: Nikolay Aleksandrov <email@example.com>
To: Vladimir Oltean <firstname.lastname@example.org>
Cc: Ido Schimmel <email@example.com>,
Jakub Kicinski <firstname.lastname@example.org>,
"David S. Miller" <email@example.com>,
Jiri Pirko <firstname.lastname@example.org>, Roopa Prabhu <email@example.com>,
Subject: Re: [PATCH net] net: bridge: validate the NUD_PERMANENT bit when adding an extern_learn FDB entry
Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2021 13:43:41 +0300 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <firstname.lastname@example.org> (raw)
On 10/08/2021 13:38, Vladimir Oltean wrote:
> On Tue, Aug 10, 2021 at 01:15:32PM +0300, Nikolay Aleksandrov wrote:
>> On 10/08/2021 13:09, Vladimir Oltean wrote:
>>> On Tue, Aug 10, 2021 at 09:46:34AM +0300, Ido Schimmel wrote:
>>>> On Mon, Aug 09, 2021 at 04:05:22PM +0000, Vladimir Oltean wrote:
>>>>> On Mon, Aug 09, 2021 at 03:16:40PM +0300, Ido Schimmel wrote:
>>>>>> I have at least once selftest where I forgot the 'static' keyword:
>>>>>> bridge fdb add de:ad:be:ef:13:37 dev $swp1 master extern_learn vlan 1
>>>>>> This patch breaks the test when run against both the kernel and hardware
>>>>>> data paths. I don't mind patching these tests, but we might get more
>>>>>> reports in the future.
>>>>> Is it the 'static' keyword that you forgot, or 'dynamic'? The
>>>>> tools/testing/selftests/net/forwarding/bridge_vlan_aware.sh selftest
>>>>> looks to me like it's testing the behavior of an FDB entry which should
>>>>> roam, and which without the extern_learn flag would be ageable.
>>>> static - no aging, no roaming
>>>> dynamic - aging, roaming
>>>> extern_learn - no aging, roaming
>>>> So these combinations do not make any sense and the kernel will ignore
>>>> static/dynamic when extern_learn is specified. It's needed to work
>>>> around iproute2 behavior of "assume permanent"
>>> Since NTF_EXT_LEARNED is part of ndm->ndm_flags and NUD_REACHABLE/NUD_NOARP
>>> are part of ndm->ndm_state, it is not at all clear to me that 'extern_learn'
>>> belongs to the same class of bridge neighbor attributes as 'static'/'dynamic',
>>> and that it is invalid to have the full degree of freedom. If it isn't,
>>> shouldn't the kernel validate that, instead of just ignoring the ndm->ndm_state?
>>> If it's too late to validate, shouldn't we at least document somewhere
>>> that the ndm_state is ignored in the presence of ndm_flags & NTF_EXT_LEARNED?
>>> It is user API after all, easter eggs like this aren't very enjoyable.
>> It's too late unfortunately, ignoring other flags in that case has been the standard
>> behaviour for a long time (it has never made sense to specify flags for extern_learn
>> entries). I'll send a separate patch that adds a comment to document it or if you have
>> another thing in mind feel free to send a patch.
> No, I don't have anything else in mind, but since the topic is the same
> as the "net: bridge: fix flags interpretation for extern learn fdb entries"
> patch you already sent, you could as well just send a v2 for that and
> add an extra phrase in a comment somewhere near a NTF_EXT_LEARNED uapi
> definition, or perhaps extend this comment right here:
> /* NUD_NOARP & NUD_PERMANENT are pseudostates, they never change
> and make no address resolution or NUD.
> NUD_PERMANENT also cannot be deleted by garbage collectors.
sure, I was going to send it for net-next, but I might as well do it in -net.
prev parent reply other threads:[~2021-08-10 10:43 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 23+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2021-08-01 23:17 Vladimir Oltean
2021-08-02 7:42 ` Nikolay Aleksandrov
2021-08-02 9:20 ` Vladimir Oltean
2021-08-02 9:42 ` Nikolay Aleksandrov
2021-08-02 10:52 ` Vladimir Oltean
2021-08-02 11:02 ` Nikolay Aleksandrov
2021-08-02 11:20 ` Vladimir Oltean
2021-08-02 11:25 ` Nikolay Aleksandrov
2021-08-02 22:10 ` patchwork-bot+netdevbpf
2021-08-09 12:16 ` Ido Schimmel
2021-08-09 12:32 ` Vladimir Oltean
2021-08-09 15:33 ` Nikolay Aleksandrov
2021-08-10 6:40 ` Ido Schimmel
2021-08-10 7:21 ` [PATCH net] net: bridge: fix flags interpretation for extern learn fdb entries Nikolay Aleksandrov
2021-08-10 11:00 ` [PATCH net v2] " Nikolay Aleksandrov
2021-08-10 13:50 ` Vladimir Oltean
2021-08-10 20:20 ` patchwork-bot+netdevbpf
2021-08-09 16:05 ` [PATCH net] net: bridge: validate the NUD_PERMANENT bit when adding an extern_learn FDB entry Vladimir Oltean
2021-08-10 6:46 ` Ido Schimmel
2021-08-10 10:09 ` Vladimir Oltean
2021-08-10 10:15 ` Nikolay Aleksandrov
2021-08-10 10:38 ` Vladimir Oltean
2021-08-10 10:43 ` Nikolay Aleksandrov [this message]
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