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From: Vlad Buslov <vladbu@nvidia.com>
To: Jamal Hadi Salim <jhs@mojatatu.com>
Cc: Simon Horman <simon.horman@corigine.com>,
	David Miller <davem@davemloft.net>,
	Jakub Kicinski <kuba@kernel.org>,
	Cong Wang <xiyou.wangcong@gmail.com>,
	Jiri Pirko <jiri@mellanox.com>, <netdev@vger.kernel.org>,
	<oss-drivers@corigine.com>,
	Baowen Zheng <baowen.zheng@corigine.com>,
	Louis Peens <louis.peens@corigine.com>,
	"Ido Schimmel" <idosch@nvidia.com>, Jiri Pirko <jiri@resnulli.us>,
	Roopa Prabhu <roopa@nvidia.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH net-next 1/3] flow_offload: allow user to offload tc action to net device
Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2021 14:40:52 +0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <ygnhv94sowqj.fsf@nvidia.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <2ba4e24f-e34e-f893-d42b-d0fd40794da5@mojatatu.com>

On Fri 30 Jul 2021 at 13:17, Jamal Hadi Salim <jhs@mojatatu.com> wrote:
> On 2021-07-28 10:46 a.m., Simon Horman wrote:
>> On Wed, Jul 28, 2021 at 09:51:00AM -0400, Jamal Hadi Salim wrote:
>>> On 2021-07-28 3:46 a.m., Simon Horman wrote:
>>>> On Tue, Jul 27, 2021 at 07:47:43PM +0300, Vlad Buslov wrote:
>>>>> On Tue 27 Jul 2021 at 19:13, Jamal Hadi Salim <jhs@mojatatu.com> wrote:
>>>>>> On 2021-07-27 10:38 a.m., Vlad Buslov wrote:
>>>>>>> On Tue 27 Jul 2021 at 16:04, Simon Horman <simon.horman@corigine.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> [..]
>>>
>>>>>>> I think we have the same issue with filters - they might not be in
>>>>>>> hardware after driver callback returned "success" (due to neigh state
>>>>>>> being invalid for tunnel_key encap, for example).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sounds like we need another state for this. Otherwise, how do you debug
>>>>>> that something is sitting in the driver and not in hardware after you
>>>>>> issued a command to offload it? How do i tell today?
>>>>>> Also knowing reason why something is sitting in the driver would be
>>>>>> helpful.
>>>>>
>>>>> It is not about just adding another state. The issue is that there is no
>>>>> way for drivers to change the state of software filter dynamically.
>>>>
>>>> I think it might be worth considering enhancing things at some point.
>>>> But I agree that its more than a matter of adding an extra flag. And
>>>> I think it's reasonable to implement something similar to the classifier
>>>> current offload handling of IN_HW now and consider enhancements separately.
>>>
>>> Debugability is very important. If we have such gotchas we need to have
>>> the admin at least be able to tell if the driver returns "success"
>>> and the request is still sitting in the driver for whatever reason
>>> At minimal there needs to be some indicator somewhere which say
>>> "inprogress" or "waiting for resolution" etc.
>>> If the control plane(user space app) starts making other decisions
>>> based on assumptions that filter was successfully installed i.e
>>> packets are being treated in the hardware then there could be
>>> consequences when this assumption is wrong.
>>>
>>> So if i undestood the challenge correctly it is: how do you relay
>>> this info back so it is reflected in the filter details. Yes that
>>> would require some mechanism to exist and possibly mapping state
>>> between whats in the driver and in the cls layer.
>>> If i am not mistaken, the switchdev folks handle this asynchronicty?
>>> +Cc Ido, Jiri, Roopa
>>>
>>> And it should be noted that: Yes, the filters have this
>>> pre-existing condition but doesnt mean given the opportunity
>>> to do actions we should replicate what they do.
>> I'd prefer symmetry between the use of IN_HW for filters and actions,
>> which I believe is what Vlad has suggested.
>> 
>
> It still not clear to me what it means from a command line pov.
> How do i add a rule and when i dump it what does it show?
>
>> If we wish to enhance things - f.e. for debugging, which I
>> agree is important - then I think that is a separate topic.
>> 
>
> My only concern is not to repeat mistakes that are in filters
> just for the sake of symmetry. Example the fact that something
> went wrong with insertion or insertion is still in progress
> and you get an indication that all went well.
> Looking at mlnx (NIC) ndrivers it does seem that in the normal case
> the insertion into hw is synchronous (for anything that is not sw
> only). I didnt quiet see what Vlad was referring to.

Filters with tunnel_key encap actions can be offloaded/unoffloaded
dynamically based on neigh state (see mlx5e_rep_neigh_update()) and fib
events (see mlx5e_tc_fib_event_work()).

[...]


  reply	other threads:[~2021-07-30 11:41 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 42+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2021-07-22  9:19 [PATCH net-next 0/3] flow_offload: hardware offload of TC actions Simon Horman
2021-07-22  9:19 ` [PATCH net-next 1/3] flow_offload: allow user to offload tc action to net device Simon Horman
2021-07-22 12:24   ` Roi Dayan
2021-07-22 13:19     ` Simon Horman
2021-07-22 13:29   ` Vlad Buslov
2021-07-22 13:33     ` Jamal Hadi Salim
2021-07-27 13:04       ` Simon Horman
2021-07-27 14:38         ` Vlad Buslov
2021-07-27 16:13           ` Jamal Hadi Salim
2021-07-27 16:47             ` Vlad Buslov
2021-07-28  7:46               ` Simon Horman
2021-07-28  8:05                 ` Vlad Buslov
2021-07-28 13:51                 ` Jamal Hadi Salim
2021-07-28 14:46                   ` Simon Horman
2021-07-30 10:17                     ` Jamal Hadi Salim
2021-07-30 11:40                       ` Vlad Buslov [this message]
2021-08-03  9:57                         ` Jamal Hadi Salim
2021-08-03 12:02                           ` tc offload debug-ability Jamal Hadi Salim
2021-08-03 12:14                             ` Vlad Buslov
2021-08-03 12:50                               ` Jamal Hadi Salim
2021-08-03 13:34                                 ` Ido Schimmel
2021-07-30 13:20                       ` [PATCH net-next 1/3] flow_offload: allow user to offload tc action to net device Simon Horman
2021-08-03 10:14                         ` Jamal Hadi Salim
2021-08-03 11:36                           ` Simon Horman
2021-08-03 11:45                             ` Jamal Hadi Salim
2021-08-03 12:31                               ` Simon Horman
2021-08-03 13:01                                 ` Jamal Hadi Salim
2021-08-03 14:46                                   ` Simon Horman
2021-07-22 13:57   ` kernel test robot
2021-07-22 15:31   ` kernel test robot
2021-08-03 10:50   ` Jamal Hadi Salim
2021-08-03 11:05   ` Jamal Hadi Salim
2021-08-03 11:31     ` Simon Horman
2021-07-22  9:19 ` [PATCH net-next 2/3] flow_offload: add process to delete offloaded actions from " Simon Horman
2021-07-22 14:25   ` Vlad Buslov
2021-07-22 14:50   ` kernel test robot
2021-07-22 17:07   ` kernel test robot
2021-08-03 10:59   ` Jamal Hadi Salim
2021-07-22  9:19 ` [PATCH net-next 3/3] flow_offload: add process to update action stats from hardware Simon Horman
2021-07-22 14:55   ` Vlad Buslov
2021-08-03 11:24   ` Jamal Hadi Salim
2021-08-03 11:35     ` Simon Horman

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